GRA wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:40 pm
^^^ In general I agree with you, although the ID.4 will eventually offer AWD which is the biggest equipment option lacking on the Kona/Niro/Bolt. At a considerably higher price to be sure, but still a lot less than the Model Y or Mustang.
Also, it will presumably have a capacity warranty like the e-Golf, which the Koreans don't have.
I hope/suspect that VW is low-balling the range as they did with the Taycan, as even with the ID.4's greater size and weight the extra 11-18 kWh between it and the others (not clear if the Bolt and Koreans kWh are usable or total) should give it range that exceeds any of theirs - I was thinking at least 270-275 EPA, and am hoping they may hit 300.
As for charge speed, although it's not a Tesla, a 1/3rd (your calc) to 1/2 (my calc) increase in average charge rate is still usefully better.
Still, I confess I'm considering a Bolt lease now; although the car falls short of my requirements for range/charging speed/space/AWD, there are some excellent deals to be had, the seats don't bother me and it's a fun car to drive. I can either keep my Forester for the trips the Bolt is really unsuited for, or sell it and put up with the Bolt's limitations for three years while I await something better.
The problem with selling is there's no guarantee a car I'll want to buy for the long term will be available then - I suspect it will be more like 5-7 years, so I might find myself three years from now without another relatively inexpensive interim BEV to lease.
Agreed on the possibly conservative range estimate - I too am hoping for 270-275 EPA.
I may be flat out wrong about the average rapid charging speed. For one, I based my estimate mostly on Bjorn's video of the ID3 charging on an Ionity charger (it never charged higher than 100 kW; and at only 30% SOC, it started levelling off) with the assumption that the ID4 will have the same charging curve (it very well may not). More importantly, your comment prompted me to check several green car websites again, and many of them - Green Car Reports, for example - are claiming 5%-80% gained in 38 minutes, which means a gain of .75 x 77 kWh useable over .63333 hours = 91 kW average charging speed. Is that more or less what you got?
Since you brought up leasing a Bolt, you might consider buying a used Bolt instead and then just re-selling it in three years. On cars.com, 2017 Bolts are starting at around $14K right now. I have to think that 14K minus whatever you can sell it for in three years would be less $ than the cost of a three year lease, but then again, I haven't looked at lease prices in a while. The same goes for 2017 Ioniq EVs by the way - they're about 13K right now. Less range than the Bolt, obviously, but faster rapid charging speeds, more comfortable seats, and more cargo space (though I found the rear visibility in the Ioniq to be poor).