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Official Hyundai Ioniq 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:27 am

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Hyundai Austria Leaks Specs of Upcoming 2022 Ioniq 5 EV
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3505 ... cialflowTW


AWD CUV, 313 HP/5.2 sec. 0-60, 280 miles WLTP which will be seriously inadequate EPA, but that's for the 58 kWh pack, with a 73 kWh pack to follow. 800V pack with solar roof, 20-80% in 15 minutes. Faster than I need and at 182.3" long it, like all the current gen RAV4/CR-V/Foresters is a bit longer than I'd like, but depending on the price and range of the big battery this is the closest anyone's come to meeting my major BEV requirements. Will definitely take a look when it gets here.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:28 am

It looks to me like an Asian take on a Cyber Truck.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:33 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:28 am
It looks to me like an Asian take on a Cyber Truck.
I had a similar thought unless it was just shadows

So ...
Another EV CUV entry with a harsh design language some will like
Some interesting next gen power electronics
Mediocre power performance
Mediocre range in the standard model

The EV overall looks like a superior choice over the Arriya. That is admittedly not saying a lot, other than I expect Arriya price cutting soon after its introduction.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:28 am

Spec are good, and Ionic has shown in 70mph tests to best the M3 (insideEvs) so this is a threat to every non sports sedan/compact SUV if priced well.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:13 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:28 am
Spec are good, and Ionic has shown in 70mph tests to best the M3 (insideEvs)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev ... t-results/
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:30 am

Efficiency, not range.

https://youtu.be/nUUlAx40XU4.

After the 11 minute mark. "We have a new efficiency king."
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:58 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:30 am
Efficiency, not range.
1. That is the sedan, not the CUV. You have no idea of the CUV weight, Cd or frontal area -- or even its drivetrain efficiency.
2. 99% of people care about efficiency in the pursuit of car cost and *range*. The 2020 Ioniq sedan was nowhere close to the Model 3 in range, and the Ioniq5 is nowhere close to the range of a Model Y.

3. You are comparing that sedan to the 2019 version of the Model 3. The Model 3 has improved its EPA range from ~ 320 to 360 miles, or about 12%. The older Model 3 was 4.25 miles/kWh so the current model will average ~ 4.25*1.12 = 4.76 miles per kWh -- well above the 2020 Ioniq at 4.5 miles/kWh
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:26 pm

Sage

My point was only that Hyundai Ionic has been among the best from an efficiency perspective and that the extension of the line will likely continue that tradition. With Lucid coming in from the top and Hyundai from the value segment, it will continue to change the dynamics of the market place.

My personal belief is that beyond 250-300 miles of EPA range, the vast majority of consumers will move to looking at other qualities of EVs like interior feel. For Europe I think that magic number is only 175-200 miles, hence the explosive growth of Zoe.

Tesla will continue to do fine growing with the market, but the runaway growth will mute a bit as competition shows up in groves/with scale and any given one may challenge Tesla's dominance in a single category.

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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:04 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:26 pm
My point was only that Hyundai Ionic has been among the best from an efficiency perspective
Unless you can compare (or correct for differences in) mass, Cd and frontal area, there is no way to know where the CUV model will fall amongst its competitors. And as I said above, RANGE and cost are king, while performance and and charging miles/min are princes.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:16 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:58 pm

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2. 99% of people care about efficiency in the pursuit of car cost and *range*. The 2020 Ioniq sedan was nowhere close to the Model 3 in range, and the Ioniq5 is nowhere close to the range of a Model Y.

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Priorities depend on the survey, although there are notable similarities among the top three. Castrol did a worldwide survey of both consumers and fleet managers, and also broke the results down by market. The top five items private customers thought necessary for mainstream adoption (the order was different for fleet managers) were, in descending order:

1. Price.

2. Charging time.

3.Range.

4. Charging infrastructure.

5. Vehicle choice.

The survey is a PDF titled "Accelerating the EVolution: The tipping points to mainstream electric vehicle adoption". If you can't find it directly, googling "Castrol EV survey" should bring it up as the 2nd result. The worldwide average charge time respondents thought was required for mainstream adoption was 31 minutes. Note, that's to 100% not 80%. Items 1, 3 & 4 are usually the top three in every other survey I've seen (don't remember if charge _time_ was a question in the others), although the order shifts around a bit.
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