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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:04 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 pm
I wholeheartedly disagree.

Even 4-5 miles a day reduces the load of EVs have on the grid. It sounds like this roof will be in the 250-300 watt hour peak ballpark. A smartly designed EV could get to close to 1000 over time. You have to start somewhere.
Generating 4-5 miles a day is peanuts ... but if I said vampire drain was 4-5 miles a day, people would be apoplectic, right ?

This shows that most people's opinions are a waste of good bandwidth but the kernel of truth here is that it is context dependent. The story starts with cost and ends with alternative charging. If I want to go camping off-grid for a couple of weeks then car roof PV (presuming it is not shaded) is awesome. On the flip side, if the car roof PV is competing with home PV I can install for under $1 a watt, then it is a hard pass.

For *me*, I would not buy it for a car but if it was not too expensive I would think about it on a cybertruck.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:34 am

For an urban street parked ev, the owner might go from a 2x weekly full DC charge to 1 - 2x monthly partial DC charge. That both reduces pull on grid as well as significantly reduce charging costs for the owner.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:45 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:34 am
For an urban street parked ev, the owner might go from a 2x weekly full DC charge to 1 - 2x monthly partial DC charge.
Your arithmetic does not pass the sniff test
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:17 pm

Take an urban EV like the Honda E, 30/40 Leaf, or Mini. 120 mile range. Assuming you want to keep it between 80% and 20%, you have maybe 60-70 miles usable. A 12-15 mile daily (M-F) drive will have you DC charging 1x or 2x a week.

If you have a +5 miles solar a day, that's 35 or a week.

Start at 100 miles range --> 100-60+35 = 75 post week one

Start at 75 miles week 2 --> 75 - 60 + 35 = 50 post week 2

Start at 50 miles week 3 --> 50 - 60 +35 = 25 post week 3

Recharge in week 4
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:47 pm

Isn't the CyberTruck suppose to have a solar option as well?

I'm on the fence. On one hand, why not, extra range is extra range while its sitting on a camping trip or while I'm backpacking.
But at what cost?

I also want a hard-shell camper top for the cybertruck, which because of the angled bed design -> if one is made, will certainly be extra money.
And I'm already forced to look at the most expensive truck because I want the range.


To me the 18 minute charging time is a bigger deal than the solar. My guess is it will be cheaper to simply add more panels to my house than pay for a couple thousand dollars for this option.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:34 pm

For camping it seems to me that a portable solar generator is the way to go. You can always mount the panels on the camper or shell.
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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:52 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:34 pm
For camping it seems to me that a portable solar generator is the way to go. You can always mount the panels on the camper or shell.
Yes and I bet buying your own panels and an inverter is cheaper than the Hyundai or Tesla "option"

A 120v inverter and a charge controller can be found for cheap on amazon. 100 watt 12v panels are less than $100.
So you could easily build a 500 watt system for $600 for your RV or whatever.

I guess we will have to wait to see what Tesla and Hyundai charge.
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New Hyundai "Ioniq 5" due Fall 2021

Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:20 pm

Best styling award (my own) goes to: https://insideevs.com/news/490967/hyund ... uth-korea/
Forget "Ford v Ferrari", it's now "Ford v Hyundai" in 2021. Competing in size category to a Mustang Mach E directly.
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Re: New Hyundai "Ioniq 5" due Fall 2021

Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:53 pm

I am very excited about this new choice. Especially the solar roof.
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Re: New Hyundai "Ioniq 5" due Fall 2021

Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:57 pm

I'm moving these posts to the existing Ionic 5 topic.
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