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Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 am
by danrjones
Alex on Autos has an update.

Larger battery will be 77 kWh and will charge from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. 800v architecture.

https://youtu.be/SlEuoHfG2GU

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:50 am
by jjeff
Call me intrigued. Looks like a nice vehicle, wonder what this means for the PHEV Ionic, I know someone interested in it but would probably be more interested in its current generation, more car-like, and hyper efficient. I myself like the looks of the new gen, more SUV like.

Upon rereading this thread it sounds like this is just an addition to the regular IONIC, then I have to wonder if the Ionic 5 will come in the PHEV variety.....? and also if either will be available in non CARB states in the near future.
edit-change CAFE to CARB

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:19 am
by danrjones
jjeff wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:50 am
Call me intrigued. Looks like a nice vehicle, wonder what this means for the PHEV Ionic, I know someone interested in it but would probably be more interested in its current generation, more car-like, and hyper efficient. I myself like the looks of the new gen, more SUV like.

Upon rereading this thread it sounds like this is just an addition to the regular IONIC, then I have to wonder if the Ionic 5 will come in the PHEV variety.....? and also if either will be available in non CAFE states in the near future.
I thought the idea is that Hyundai is creating a new EV and PHEV brand called Ioniq. So it is not replacing their original Ioniq. That original was the inspiration for this offshoot brand. They are going to introduce a number of "Ioniq" EVs.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:57 am
by SageBrush
danrjones wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 am
Larger battery will be 77 kWh and will charge from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. 800v architecture.
That works out to ~ 150 kW average over the 70% SoC interval.
That sounds Tesla ballpark, although Tesla may be limited to closer to 60% SoC interval

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am
by SageBrush
The Ottoman is a nice touch ;)

But Hyundai is deep, deep doodoo on the battery supply front. Between fiery LG and embargoed SK, I don't know where they turn.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:51 am
by danrjones
SageBrush wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am
The Ottoman is a nice touch ;)

But Hyundai is deep, deep doodoo on the battery supply front. Between fiery LG and embargoed SK, I don't know where they turn.
Maybe LG is having a fire sale! :lol:

I thought the judge in the SK case has a several year period before it goes into effect, because Ford also buys from LG, right?

I also heard that Biden could theoretically reverse that ruling if he felt the impacts were too severe.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:46 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
I am very excited about a mainstream EV which has a solar roof that charges the traction battery. I believe this is the future, and it helps the grid in the process.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:31 pm
by cwerdna
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:46 pm
I am very excited about a mainstream EV which has a solar roof that charges the traction battery. I believe this is the future, and it helps the grid in the process.
Generates too little energy. Not worth it. Discussed before at viewtopic.php?t=6316.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
I wholeheartedly disagree.

Even 4-5 miles a day reduces the load of EVs have on the grid. It sounds like this roof will be in the 250-300 watt hour peak ballpark. A smartly designed EV could get to close to 1000 over time. You have to start somewhere.

Re: Official Hyundai Ionic 5 topic

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:08 pm
by GRA
Given my personal use case where my car sits parked in my driveway for one or more weeks at a time, a solar roof (and hood) has considerable value for me, and even for those who don't have such intermittent use the roof should be able to run AC and hotel loads on hot days, boosting range.
FTM, as I often sleep in the car at trailheads in winter, the ability to use the heater at night and then have most or all of those Ah replaced during clear day(s) while I'm out skiing would be useful to me.

ISTR the roof on my Forester was about 4 m.^2, so up to ca. 800Wp should be possible, although 4-600Wp is more likely.