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I'm probably in the market for another car; Update: being repaired

At just over 4.5 yrs and 51K miles, The BlueS may have played it's last song.
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The other car was making a left out of a driveway and pulled out right in front of me without looking (it's really clear on the TeslaCam video). I hit his front driver's side and turned him 90 degrees. You can see the front tire on the Rogue is not right. For my car, all the airbags deployed, including both side curtains. I was able to get up and walk away. The other driver was taken away, but today I was told they are fine.

It's too early to know if it's totaled or not. It's a lousy time to get another car. If it is repairable, at least Massachusetts just passed diminished value into law.

If I do need another new car, I don't know what it would be. I shy away from another Model S because of (1) the yoke wheel and (2) no pano roof. Not to mention that the wait for a non-Plaid is 7 months. And I always thought I might consider something new when the next range improvement comes (4680 batteries?). Of course, the "next range improvement" is a sliding scale, and next year will always be better. Maybe a Model 3.

If my car was totaled, I might have considered getting a used LEAF to hold me over for a year... but not with the crazy used car market.

FWIW, the range loss on this car is just about 10%.
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Re: I'm probably in the market for another car

I've always wondered how Tesla owners know what SOH the battery is in without using a hack tool like LeafSpy, though I have seen that you can wire up a plug and use TeslaSpy on the same interface?

In this used car market, it might worth the expensive repair option provided the frame isn't all out of wack. Was it a really high speed collision or a "in the neighborhood" type hit (maybe less than 25 mph)? Glad to hear you were able to walk away. :D

Have you considered a used "beater" Leaf or is the mileage requirements too high for a really old one?
jlv wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:08 am At just over 4.5 yrs and 51K miles, The BlueS may have played it's last song.

The other car was making a left out of a driveway and pulled out right in front of me without looking (it's really clear on the TeslaCam video). I hit his front driver's side and turned him 90 degrees. You can see the front tire on the Rogue is not right. For my car, all the airbags deployed, including both side curtains. I was able to get up and walk away. The other driver was taken away, but today I was told they are fine.

It's too early to know if it's totaled or not. It's a lousy time to get another car. If it is repairable, at least Massachusetts just passed diminished value into law.

If I do need another new car, I don't know what it would be. I shy away from another Model S because of (1) the yoke wheel and (2) no pano roof. Not to mention that the wait for a non-Plaid is 7 months. And I always thought I might consider something new when the next range improvement comes (4680 batteries?). Of course, the "next range improvement" is a sliding scale, and next year will always be better. Maybe a Model 3.

If my car was totaled, I might have considered getting a used LEAF to hold me over for a year... but not with the crazy used car market.

FWIW, the range loss on this car is just about 10%.
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jlv wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:08 am It's too early to know if it's totaled or not. It's a lousy time to get another car. If it is repairable, at least Massachusetts just passed diminished value into law.

If I do need another new car, I don't know what it would be. I shy away from another Model S because of (1) the yoke wheel and (2) no pano roof. Not to mention that the wait for a non-Plaid is 7 months. And I always thought I might consider something new when the next range improvement comes (4680 batteries?). Of course, the "next range improvement" is a sliding scale, and next year will always be better. Maybe a Model 3.

If my car was totaled, I might have considered getting a used LEAF to hold me over for a year... but not with the crazy used car market.

FWIW, the range loss on this car is just about 10%.
I presume that a total loss will have to take current replacement car values into account. If you can figure out how to wait for a new car, you come out of this money wise smelling like a rose. This is what is happening (for different reasons) with me: I sold my Tesla Model 3 to CarMax for a fairly outlandish price, and we are making do with our LEAF until a new Model Y is delivered.

By the way, I've gotten to the point where I don't want to drive a car without sentry mode. It is worth its weight in latinum. Regarding whether the car is totaled or not, just make sure the insurance company knows they will be paying for a Tesla rental for months should they think about car repair.
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knightmb wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:20 am I've always wondered how Tesla owners know what SOH the battery is
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SageBrush wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:22 am Regarding whether the car is totaled or not, just make sure the insurance company knows they will be paying for a Tesla rental for months should they think about car repair.
I'm always amused by quotes like these: insurance companies only do/pay what they want...regardless of what you want.
Sorry for the OP's loss and glad everyone is (physically) OK.
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Stanton wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:02 am I'm always amused by quotes like these: insurance companies only do/pay what they want...regardless of what you want.
Sorry for the OP's loss and glad everyone is (physically) OK.
No ... they pay the minimum they can get away with within the confines of the contract. OP can demand a rental of similar vehicle to the one out of commission. It is part and parcel of being made whole.

I'm not sure about MA though ... isn't it a 'no-fault' state ?
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Re: I'm probably in the market for another car

knightmb wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:20 am Have you considered a used "beater" Leaf or is the mileage requirements too high for a really old one?
Did you read all the way through my post? In fact, I did (but for the insane increase in used car prices).

Just for fun, I sent an email to the person I sold my 2013 to.
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Re: I'm probably in the market for another car

jlv wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:49 am
knightmb wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:20 am Have you considered a used "beater" Leaf or is the mileage requirements too high for a really old one?
Did you read all the way through my post? In fact, I did (but for the insane increase in used car prices).

Just for fun, I sent an email to the person I sold my 2013 to.
It was more of a "beater" question in the sense of low mileage due to advanced battery degradation versus having to pony up some money for a plus version of a Leaf if your daily mileage was much higher.
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Speaking of which: if you want to buy a 2012 with 7 bars from UT, someone here has one. I would suggest not driving it home, though.
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These are interesting times. The BBB legislation that recently passed in congress and is being debated in the Senate has a $4k refundable tax credit for used EVs. I'm having visions of my 70 mile LEAF being worth more than I paid for it 5 years ago.

I may have to change the car name to Fata Morgana
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