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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:08 pm

Looks like the official EPA numbers are out:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do? ... 0&id=37129

So, 2.6 miles per kWh in EV mode. That explains the horrible EV range despite the rather large battery. I still can't even fathom how Audi could build such a small car, with a permanent magnet motor, that is significantly less efficient than a Model X.

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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:39 pm

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pkulak wrote:Yeah. 15 miles would be a huge disappointment. Isn't the PIP 11 miles? And that thing is a joke. I do about 30 miles a day, and I'm not sure I'm cool with doing fully half my miles on gas. I'll reserve judgement until the official EPA numbers come out, though. Even if it only has 6 kWh useable (which seems super low), that would only be 2.5 m/kWh! I just don't see how that's possible.
The current PiP's 11, but I think it was CR who reported that continuous AER was only 6 or 7. The next-gen Pip is supposed to be considerably more.
If you want to talk real world miles, our PIP got 15 miles of range in EV mode for a year and a half or so, and it still gets 12. (I'm not sure if the battery has actually degraded or her right foot has gotten heavier.) My housemate (she drives it) has a 43 mile RT commute, passing through several cities both ways. Running it in EV mode in the cities and Hybrid mode on the highway, she has a "car lifetime" average of about 73MPG. Since we live right across the river from a city, we can run all of our errands in town in EV mode - no gas used. This is hardly a "joke." The PIP is the go-to car if you need some EV range for short trips but drive too many miles for a pure BEV, because it gets by far the best fuel economy when not charged.
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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:41 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
GRA wrote:
pkulak wrote:Yeah. 15 miles would be a huge disappointment. Isn't the PIP 11 miles? And that thing is a joke. I do about 30 miles a day, and I'm not sure I'm cool with doing fully half my miles on gas. I'll reserve judgement until the official EPA numbers come out, though. Even if it only has 6 kWh useable (which seems super low), that would only be 2.5 m/kWh! I just don't see how that's possible.
The current PiP's 11, but I think it was CR who reported that continuous AER was only 6 or 7. The next-gen Pip is supposed to be considerably more.
If you want to talk real world miles, our PIP got 15 miles of range in EV mode for a year and a half or so, and it still gets 12. (I'm not sure if the battery has actually degraded or her right foot has gotten heavier.) My housemate (she drives it) has a 43 mile RT commute, passing through several cities both ways. Running it in EV mode in the cities and Hybrid mode on the highway, she has a "car lifetime" average of about 73MPG. Since we live right across the river from a city, we can run all of our errands in town in EV mode - no gas used. This is hardly a "joke." The PIP is the go-to car if you need some EV range for short trips but drive too many miles for a pure BEV, because it gets by far the best fuel economy when not charged.
All of these scenarios are based on what will work for you .. with only 16 to 17 EV range (according to EPA numbers mentioned) it would NOT work for my own daily commute which runs 29 to 31 miles R/T but would for my wife's which is only 8 miles R/T. The really short trips are where EV's do quite well as ICE's may not even warm up, you'll get condensation in your exhaust system, and need more frequent oil changes, etc., etc. As far as errands; we do the most on the weekends while not at work so we typically just about max out our LEAF's capacity at 100% charged-up both Saturday and Sundays; sometimes we might even split things and charge it at home for a few hours in-between longer trips. I'd be willing to have my M-F work commute (about 150 miles) on EV power and forego the weekend stuff but not both! If you think a bit longer about it though, our errands on the weekends could typically be MORE miles than the daily work commutes combined which would cost much more in gas (premium no less) in total if we went with a PHEV (although the new Volt may be able to cover half our weekend errand days on EV power and with regular gas for the rest). I do agree though, that you should look at the whole picture if saving on fuel (combined gas/electric) is your main goal with these --- with many EV's (Tesla the exception) buying used and using it as a second car appears to be the least expensive option; again as long as the range limits work for you.
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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:30 pm

The important thing is to have a selection of PHEVs offering varying AERs, as the cheapest life-cycle cost is with the smallest battery that meets your routine daily needs between charges. A bigger battery will reduce GHGs (generally not LCO), but most people aren't motivated by that.
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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:58 am

Apparently it has sold fairly well in Europe ... interesting that the 'un-named' manager failed to add-in the range extender i3 totals; but then again that's kind of what this e-tron is; regardless its not a bad start

“We have sold more A3 e-trons than a competitor in Munich has sold of its compact electric vehicle,” said an Audi manager who declined to give detailed figures and asked to remain anonymous.

Audi sold 11,791 A3 e-trons in Europe last year compared with 5,481 full-electric versions of the BMW i3, according to data from JATO Dynamics.

(If the 6,566 i3s with a range-extender engine sold in Europe were included in the count, the i3 model family outsold the A3 e-tron in Europe by 256 units, JATO’s figures show.)

Audi plans to offer plug-in hybrid variants in all its model lines. The Q7 and A3 plug-in hybrids will be joined later this year by the Q5 e-tron. The A8 e-tron is due next year while the Q6 e-tron, which will be the production version of the e-tron quattro concept shown at the 2015 Frankfurt auto show, it due in 2018.


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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:32 am

My favorite car reviewer just did the E Tron. If there's anything you still want to know about it, this is where you'll find it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylou-GF5Ux8

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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:20 pm

Got my E Tron over the weekend! The wife and I really like it so far. I'd say, if it was just me, I'd probably be in a Volt right now (especially a 2017) but my wife hates that car. I've driven a Volt, and the E Tron has exactly that same EV feel that I love, so I'm happy. In fact, it seems to pull harder than the Leaf even though the motor is technically 5kWh less; probably because that power is going through a transmission. It's also smaller than the Volt, with a real fifth seat, about the same interior and cargo room, and a true hatchback. It's more expensive, but there are deals to be had. I got 0% financing plus $1000 off from Audi on top of what I negotiated with the dealer.

Having a level 2 charger really helps. The resistance heater and small battery means that if your car is cold in the morning, say goodbye to your range. And level 1 is not nearly enough to heat the car up. The GOM is accurate, but it always starts off assuming no climate control. So, if it's freezing out and you didn't precondition, you'll see 22 miles until you back out of the driveway and it drops to 14. Haha. I can see that driving people nuts if they don't understand what's going on. Level 2 also helps for mid day charging. We usually do under 20 miles a day, but it's not hard to do more than that EV only if you have to stop at home for a couple hours.

But I'm also not totally adverse to burning gas. I drove a normal A3 for a while and this is a better car even if you never plug it in. Dual clutches shift so smoothly, but are so jerky at low speeds. This setup replaces all the low speed harshness with EV smoothness. I like to think back to my first Prius. I'd have killed for 16 EV miles back then. Haha.

I was a bit worried about the motor behind a transmission, but it works out really well. That dual clutch shifts so smoothly that you can't feel it unless you're flooring it. And it even downshifts as you brake, apparently, but I can't really feel that either. And when the engine comes on, nothing noticeable really happens. Really good in terms of NVH.

I really dig the “gliding”. Engine on or off, when you let off the gas and don't apply the brake, the entire transmission clutches out and you just glide. I think I like that even more than one-peddle, super regen. The regen is still there if you hit the brake, but I like Audi deciding not to emulate a torque converter for no reason.

Anyway, it's a really good car and a shame they are not selling more. Though, I do get it. That's a lot of money for 16 miles. But, if you like the normal A3, after the tax breaks, adding a plug is just about free.

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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:33 pm

Congrats.
So its sounds like you bought rather than leased. Reasons?
I'm not up on how the A3 EV portion works with the ICE. Is it fully BEV until you run out of range or does it do some blending when you slam on the go pedal like the Volt?
Also, are you (or your wife) comparing this with a 2016 Volt? I think that's a 5-seater hatchback, no?

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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:11 pm

Yeah, we bought this time. I think the days of car companies being as silly as Nissan was with their residuals are long over. And this way we get the 0%.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that it's very Volt like in its EV mode. The pedal actually has a step down notch at the very back of it's travel and before that point the engine won't come on. I've yet to get that far though. There's a lot of power on tap before that notch. It and the Volt are pretty unique there. Most plug in hybrids will spin up the engine pretty readily. It only has 16 EV miles, but at least they are pure EV miles. :)

Yeah, I'm talking about the newest Volt. I think it's great, but the wife isn't into the styling or the visibility. We actually put people in that fifth seat, so while the new Volt does have one, the A3 middle seat is a lot better.

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Re: Official Audi A3 e-tron thread

Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:33 pm

Thanks pkulak. I still have my '06 A3 so it's nice to see the comparison (and I agree with you about the DSG -- it hates city traffic). I have an eGolf now but when its lease is up in 2018 I'm looking towards this car, or hopefully VWoA will bring over the GTE line by then.
sparky wrote:Also, are you (or your wife) comparing this with a 2016 Volt? I think that's a 5-seater hatchback, no?
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