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Offcial Honda Fit EV Thread (lease only)

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:24 am

From the following article, it looks to be lease only???? Cost is quoted as being $36,625 and lease of $399 a month. "Honda will monitor market acceptance but expects early volume to be approximately 1,100 vehicles over the next three years." Meaning they will only build 1,100 vehicles over the next three years. Nissan sells more Leafs in one month! What a joke! I was hopping Honda would surprise us with an aggressive roll-out of the Fit EV to compete with Nissan but it looks like Nissan will have the EV market all to itself for the foreseeable future.

Other interesting info:

range of 198 km (123 miles) - yeah right
battery, 20 kWh
motor, 92 kW (123 HP)

http://www.autos.ca/general-news/plug-i ... -next-year
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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:30 am

Yes, it is hard to measure actual demand when you have artificially limited the market... Of course, I guess Honda can then say that there was no demand for it and move on to other things...
muus wrote:From the following article, it looks to be lease only???? Cost is quoted as being $36,625 and lease of $399 a month. "Honda will monitor market acceptance but expects early volume to be approximately 1,100 vehicles over the next three years." Meaning they will only build 1,100 vehicles over the next three years.
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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:39 am

From below the EPA range should be 76 miles although Honda is stating a maximum range of 123 miles (at what 20 MPH??). So a smaller battery than the Leaf but more range. Interesting.

Other information, charging takes as little as three hours so it must have a larger charger like the Focus EV (about 7kW). Batteries under rear seat. Smartphone application available like Leaf but also has an interactive remote (I like).

All in all, it looks to be a very competent car. Too bad they wont be building many.


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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:51 am

The difference may be that the Fit is a little smaller and has lower total drag? Or it may turn out that the number is simply not accurate. Who knows at this point...

The remote control concept seems a little odd to me... You have to be within 100 feet of the vehicle to use it so what is the point? One assumes that if you are going to preheat or cool the car, you would simply use the web or phone app instead... Maybe it is the same idea as those aftermarket remotes that let you warm up your ICE from inside the house...
muus wrote:From below the EPA range should be 76 miles although Honda is stating a maximum range of 123 miles (at what 20 MPH??). So a smaller battery than the Leaf but more range. Interesting.
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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:03 am

TomT wrote:The remote control concept seems a little odd to me... You have to be within 100 feet of the vehicle to use it so what is the point? One assumes that if you are going to preheat or cool the car, you would simply use the web or phone app instead... Maybe it is the same idea as those aftermarket remotes that let you warm up your ICE from inside the house...
I don't own a smart phone (don't want one) which is why I like the remote. There is a large aftermarket demand for remote car starters in Canada because no one likes to get into a car which is below freezing. Many new cars now come with remote car starters built in (my parent's Journey has it).
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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:48 am

You know what's really funny, I remembered that back in June 2010 it was reported that Honda spent $13.8 million dollars to buy EV credits from Tesla. That was for 368 cars with "an agreement to exchange credits for another 287 vehicles" (as per autoblog green). For $13.8 million, Honda could have GIVEN away 377 Fits at $36,625 each! So Honda paid more per EV credit than the retail price of their own EV. :o Boggles the mind!

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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble in 2012 in California and Oregon

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:34 am

muus wrote:From below the EPA range should be 76 miles although Honda is stating a maximum range of 123 miles (at what 20 MPH??). So a smaller battery than the Leaf but more range. Interesting.
The EPA rating for the Fit EV is 123 city / 95 hwy unadjusted, 76 miles adjusted.
Compared to the LEAF's 106 city / 92 hwy unadjusted, 73 miles adjusted.

http://green.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/ho ... per-month/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://automobiles.honda.com/fit-ev/?fr ... .honda.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Fit EV is using Toshiba's SCiB batteries (like the iMiEV) which are very, very durable. Apparently more durable than AESC's batteries in the LEAF. They claim to be able to utilize nearly all of the pack's capacity without significant effect on lifetime (supposedly 3500 cycle lifetime using 100% charge/discharge cycles), so that combined with the fact that the Fit appears to be a bit lighter and overall more aerodynamic is how they are able to slightly beat the LEAF in efficiency and range.

Honda must not be that confident in the car or is losing a lot money on each of them if they are only willing to lease 1100 over 3 years - Nissan sells that many LEAFs a month! It appears that Nissan has produced over 15,000 of them already.

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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble summer 2012, $36,625 lease only

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:38 am

muus wrote:From the following article, it looks to be lease only???? Cost is quoted as being $36,625 and lease of $399 a month.
That cost is after $7500 tax credit.

Suggest changing title to $399/month.
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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble summer 2012, lease only $399 / m

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:00 pm

muus wrote:From the following article, it looks to be lease only???? Cost is quoted as being $36,625 and lease of $399 a month. "Honda will monitor market acceptance but expects early volume to be approximately 1,100 vehicles over the next three years." Meaning they will only build 1,100 vehicles over the next three years. Nissan sells more Leafs in one month! What a joke! I was hopping Honda would surprise us with an aggressive roll-out of the Fit EV to compete with Nissan but it looks like Nissan will have the EV market all to itself for the foreseeable future.

Other interesting info:

range of 198 km (123 miles) - yeah right
battery, 20 kWh
motor, 92 kW (123 HP)

http://www.autos.ca/general-news/plug-i ... -next-year
It's a bit small and the interior's a bit on the low tech side.

Honda Fit EV pics in the wild:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43375161@N ... 674326212/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: 2013 Honda Fit availble summer 2012, $36,625 lease only

Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:39 am

evnow wrote:Suggest changing title to $399/month.
done
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