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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:23 pm

I just want to know if the battery pack is more durable than the LEAF.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:51 pm

TomMoloughney wrote:If this pricing is true: $34,500 for base i3 & $2,000 extra for REx, then I expect BMW to sell a lot of them
Is that $34,500 after tax credit ? It sounds like that (the $500 is the hint) - so $42k before tax credit - which is right where we thought it would be. $2k for REx is nice - but not if that makes the sales tax come back making the REx effectively a $7k option.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:58 am

edatoakrun wrote:Which brings us back to the absurdity of BMW pursuing the SAE standard(s) in the first place.
I've never understood why anyone thinks the SAE standard is the kludge. It's actually quite elegant. Start with the J1772 plug. That will support AC Level One and AC Level Two in both Europe and NA and just about anywhere else in the world. Change the J1772 connector by adding a temperature sensor and an automatic locking mechanism and you have DC Level One charging up to 40 kW using essentially the same plug as we use for J1772 AC charging. That's about what you get with Chademo now and would also work for Teslas. Add two larger pins and another ground and you now go far beyond Chademo with 100 kW charging, using the same connector and same protocols. You'd need a larger plug for this but at these power levels there is no way around that.

Other than cost, complexity, and design challenges it wouldn't seem that Chademo has much to contribute. Chademo makes no sense unless having one hardware and software system for AC charging and a separate one for DC charging is a good idea.
evnow wrote:Wrong. It will be an option in the US - but will be available right from the start instead of being available later
It won't exactly be an option since it will come with every car. Maybe in the universe you and Tom inhabit I'm wrong, but, from where I sit, if ALL the i3s come equipped with the range extender then this is definitely the "default". From the story: It should be noted that all initial US inventory will see the i3 come equipped with the range extender option
TomMoloughney wrote:If this pricing is true: $34,500 for base i3 & $2,000 extra for REx, then I expect BMW to sell a lot of them
If this pricing is before rebates and credits then I agree. But if it's after then, given how BMW splits out and prices options, this is going to be a very expensive car. The range extender is a killer option for competing with the Leaf. However, at close to $50K before credits and rebates it's not competing with the Leaf and I think BMW will struggle with low volumes. That the car resembles is a Pontiac Aztek doesn't help. ;)

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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:00 am

It has TMS so it almost has to be...
KJD wrote:I just want to know if the battery pack is more durable than the LEAF.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:10 pm

SanDust wrote:It won't exactly be an option since it will come with every car. Maybe in the universe you and Tom inhabit I'm wrong, but, from where I sit, if ALL the i3s come equipped with the range extender then this is definitely the "default". From the story: It should be noted that all initial US inventory will see the i3 come equipped with the range extender option
Not sure what story you are referring to, but BMW has stated multiple times that it would be an option. Infact they predict some 85% of initial buyers will pick that option.

It is possible the first batch of cars will all have the REx option. Doesn't make that a standard.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:44 pm

evnow wrote:
SanDust wrote:It won't exactly be an option since it will come with every car. Maybe in the universe you and Tom inhabit I'm wrong, but, from where I sit, if ALL the i3s come equipped with the range extender then this is definitely the "default". From the story: It should be noted that all initial US inventory will see the i3 come equipped with the range extender option
Not sure what story you are referring to, but BMW has stated multiple times that it would be an option. Infact they predict some 85% of initial buyers will pick that option.

It is possible the first batch of cars will all have the REx option. Doesn't make that a standard.
The whole "first batch of i3 will have range extender" story came about because there were people questioning whether or not the range extender would be available from the beginning or of BMW would add it as an option some time after the initial launch. This is because a while ago -maybe a year and a half or so, a BMW rep said he wasn't sure if the REx would be ready for the initial launch. So when someone asked BMW NA CEO Ludwig Willisch if the REx would be available at launch or later he said it would be available at launch and in fact the first batch if i3's the US gets which will likely arrive sometime in December, will all have the range extender option.

It really seems he was just confirming that you will be able to get the option right from the beginning. Maybe the first 100 cars that land here will have it so that's what he was saying I suppose. That being said, most of the i3 coming to the US will indeed have the option, because BMW expects most of the people buying the car to want it but it is indeed an option and the base i3 will be pure electric.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:59 pm

evnow wrote:
TomMoloughney wrote:If this pricing is true: $34,500 for base i3 & $2,000 extra for REx, then I expect BMW to sell a lot of them
Is that $34,500 after tax credit ? It sounds like that (the $500 is the hint) - so $42k before tax credit - which is right where we thought it would be. $2k for REx is nice - but not if that makes the sales tax come back making the REx effectively a $7k option.
Tax issue for you is only in your state...most of the rest of us pay the taxes either way. My question is about the pack size. Is the i3 pack the same size as the i3REx? Or are they removing some of the cells to make room for the ICE?
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:33 pm

palmermd wrote:Tax issue for you is only in your state...most of the rest of us pay the taxes either way. My question is about the pack size. Is the i3 pack the same size as the i3REx? Or are they removing some of the cells to make room for the ICE?
NJ also has the same tax issue.

Rex is a pure additional option - no reduction in battery size.
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Re: Official BMW I3, I8 / megacity EV thread

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:34 pm

palmermd wrote:
evnow wrote:
TomMoloughney wrote:If this pricing is true: $34,500 for base i3 & $2,000 extra for REx, then I expect BMW to sell a lot of them
Is that $34,500 after tax credit ? It sounds like that (the $500 is the hint) - so $42k before tax credit - which is right where we thought it would be. $2k for REx is nice - but not if that makes the sales tax come back making the REx effectively a $7k option.
Tax issue for you is only in your state...most of the rest of us pay the taxes either way. My question is about the pack size. Is the i3 pack the same size as the i3REx? Or are they removing some of the cells to make room for the ICE?
The battery pack will be the exact same size on both trims. It's located in an enclosed "tray" under the cabin. There is some space set aside for the range extender next to the EV drivetrain. A small gas tank will be added in the font, and will likely encroach on the limited frunk space under the hood.

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