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Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:31 am
by lorenfb
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
I have "seen" a handful of car fire aftermaths where it was not only impossible to tell what kind of car it was. It was impossible to tell what "style" of car it was...

Fire will destroy if you let it. Gas, Li, etc. it doesn't matter. The car fuels itself.
Yes, but it's very rare to see a ICEV gas fire where there's a full melt-down of the body and/or frame. There have been MS fires
where all that was left was melted Al.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:20 am
by edatoakrun
DaveinOlyWA wrote: ...Fire will destroy if you let it. Gas, Li, etc. it doesn't matter. The car fuels itself.
No, only hydrocarbon fueled ICEV vehicles, FCVs and TSLAs carry highly-flammable fuel.

Virtually all BEVs except TSLA use fire-resistant battery packs, which are much safer for occupants in a crash.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:58 am
by EVDRIVER
Lot's of assumptions on what melted and what was simply crushed. The car is also made of aluminum not steel and ow many gas fueled fires are there in all aluminum cars? Over all, that car is safer than anything on the road, If that guy hit that wall in an ICE I'm confident they would not be pulling him out without heavy equipment. That was a worse case accident and the fact that they could even pull him from the car says quite a bit for the safety of a Tesla.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:55 am
by cwerdna
NTSB Probing Tesla That Caught Fire After Crash in California
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ntsb-pro ... 12608.html

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:13 am
by EVDRIVER
cwerdna wrote:NTSB Probing Tesla That Caught Fire After Crash in California
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ntsb-pro ... 12608.html

I wonder if they would do this if any other EV was involved. Perhaps they are looking at that barrier that was not set.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:54 am
by edatoakrun
EVDRIVER wrote:...Perhaps they are looking at that barrier that was not set.
Doesn't seem to be a major question:
2 NTSB investigators conducting Field Investigation for fatal March 23, 2018, crash of a Tesla near Mountain View, CA. Unclear if automated control system was active at time of crash. Issues examined include: post-crash fire, steps to make vehicle safe for removal from scene.
https://twitter.com/NTSB_Newsroom/statu ... 4417265664

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:11 pm
by RegGuheert
edatoakrun wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:...Perhaps they are looking at that barrier that was not set.
Doesn't seem to be a major question:
That's pretty bad if it is not addressed. That was a deathtrap waiting for a victim literally for YEARS.

I doubt anyone would have died if the barrier had been reset following that long-ago accident.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:25 pm
by EVDRIVER
RegGuheert wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:...Perhaps they are looking at that barrier that was not set.
Doesn't seem to be a major question:
That's pretty bad if it is not addressed. That was a deathtrap waiting for a victim literally for YEARS.

I doubt anyone would have died if the barrier had been reset following that long-ago accident.
Sadly I would agree with that assessment, it was an incredible hazard.

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:23 pm
by scottf200

Re: Tesla Model X

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:25 pm
by GRA
I don't think there's any doubt that the severity of the damage was due to the out-of-action barrier. The far more important question as far as the investigation goes is did hitting the barrier result from human or A/P error?