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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:14 pm

2013 Outlander(ICE version) review in Russian.
Mention PHEV in the end.
http://www.drive.ru/drive-test/mitsubis ... 0006a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:22 pm

ht2 wrote:2013 Outlander(ICE version) review in Russian.
Mention PHEV in the end.
http://www.drive.ru/drive-test/mitsubis ... 0006a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for that. Some nice pics that haven't been seen before, but alas, still no interior dimensions, which is what I'm really looking for.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:32 pm

They ruined perfectly good looking crossover with its new looks.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:39 pm

IBELEAF wrote:They ruined perfectly good looking crossover with its new looks.
Personally, I don't think it's looked good since it was called the Montero Sport (ca. 1998):

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but that's just MHO. I actually think it looks better than that previous gen Outlander, if a bit more portly...
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:48 am

I've always thought the PHEV concept better suited to a 4wd SUV than a car.

Sounds like Mitsu may give the driver every (?) useful electric/ICEV and drive train use option.

From GCC:
Mitsubishi to unveil Outlander PHEV at 2012 Paris Motor Show
5 September 2012

Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC) will present the global debut of the new Outlander SUV plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) at the 2012 Paris Motor Show later this month.

The Outlander PHEV, which combines a Twin Motor 4WD system comprising two 60 kW independent electric motors (one on each axle); a 12 kWh Li-ion battery pack; and a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder MIVEC gasoline engine, has a targeted fuel economy in excess of 61 km/liter (143.5 mpg US, 1.6 l/100km) and a cruising range in excess of 880 km (547 miles). (Fuel economy figure is based on a combination of fuel consumption when driven in all-electric mode, called the plug-in fuel efficiency, and when driven in hybrid mode, called the hybrid fuel efficiency, measured via Japan’s JC08 mode.)

Depending on driving conditions and remaining battery charge, the Plug-in Hybrid EV powertrain automatically selects the optimum drive mode:

EV Drive Mode. EV Drive Mode is an all-electric mode in which the front and rear motors drive the vehicle using only electricity from the drive battery.

Series Hybrid Mode. In Series Hybrid Mode the gasoline engine operates as a generator supplying electricity to the electric motors. The system switches to this mode when the remaining charge in the battery falls below a predetermined level and when more powerful performance is required, such as accelerating to pass a vehicle or climbing a steep gradient such as a slope.

Parallel Hybrid Mode. In Parallel Hybrid Mode the gasoline engine provides most of the motive power, assisted by the electric motors as required. The system switches to this mode for higher-speed driving when the gasoline engine operates at peak efficiency.

Twin Motor 4WD System. In the Twin Motor 4WD system, the front motor delivers 137 N·m (101 lb-ft) of torque, the rear, 195 N·m (144 lb-ft). In addition to decreased friction loss, Twin Motor 4WD delivers better response and finer control than conventional mechanical systems. It accomplishes this without a propeller shaft or other mechanical components seen in conventional mechanical systems.

The Twin Motor 4WD system is integrated with Mitsubishi’s S-AWC (Super All Wheel Control) integrated vehicle dynamics control system to deliver high levels of stability and all-terrain performance.

Battery pack. The high-capacity 12 kWh lithium-ion drive battery gives Outlander PHEV an EV Drive Mode cruising range of more than 55 km (34 miles) in the JC08 cycle, sufficient for all-electric operation in most everyday situations in Japan. A JCAP (Japan Clean Air Program) study conducted in Japan showed that on average, 85% of Japanese drivers drove less than 55km per day.

The driver can also manually switch to Battery Charge Mode in which the gasoline engine acts as a generator (70 kW generating capacity) and charges the drive battery whether the vehicle is stationary or on the move. Battery Charge Mode gives the driver the flexibility to use the gasoline engine as a generator at any time they want; for example if the driver wants to use EV Drive Mode at a specific time, they can make sure the drive battery has enough energy for that time.

Charge time at 200 V AC (15 Amp) is approximately 4.5 hours for a full charge; quick-charging time is approximately 30 minutes for an 80% charge.

The new Outlander PHEV is based on the new Outlander which made it debut in Russia in July and which will be introduced in other European markets starting from September. MMC will introduce Outlander PHEV in the Japanese market in early 2013 then sequentially roll out the model in Europe, North America, and other markets around the world.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/09 ... 20905.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

12:10 edit:

Note that this his will be the first PHEV (or SUV) with QC capability.

I don't see how any other "large battery" PHEV manufactures will remain competitive, without the same capability.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:10 am

edatoakrun wrote: The driver can also manually switch to Battery Charge Mode in which the gasoline engine acts as a generator (70 kW generating capacity) and charges the drive battery whether the vehicle is stationary or on the move. Battery Charge Mode gives the driver the flexibility to use the gasoline engine as a generator at any time they want; for example if the driver wants to use EV Drive Mode at a specific time, they can make sure the drive battery has enough energy for that time.
That is an interesting feature I've often wondered about on other PHEV systems. I understand that it is probably more efficient to use the engine to drive the car than it would be to charge the battery for driving later. But being that the only thing needed to add such a feature would essentially be a software change, I think it is a neat feature to have. If I preferred the way the vehicle drives when it is in EV mode but didn't have enough range to make it to work and back, I could allow it to recharge the battery while sitting in the parking lot at work. Then drive home with EV mode again. I suppose one benefit is that the I.C.E. could run at its most efficient configuration during the entire charge session, rather than adjusting for driving conditions.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:54 pm

adric22 wrote:
edatoakrun wrote: The driver can also manually switch to Battery Charge Mode in which the gasoline engine acts as a generator (70 kW generating capacity) and charges the drive battery whether the vehicle is stationary or on the move. Battery Charge Mode gives the driver the flexibility to use the gasoline engine as a generator at any time they want; for example if the driver wants to use EV Drive Mode at a specific time, they can make sure the drive battery has enough energy for that time.
That is an interesting feature I've often wondered about on other PHEV systems. I understand that it is probably more efficient to use the engine to drive the car than it would be to charge the battery for driving later. But being that the only thing needed to add such a feature would essentially be a software change, I think it is a neat feature to have. If I preferred the way the vehicle drives when it is in EV mode but didn't have enough range to make it to work and back, I could allow it to recharge the battery while sitting in the parking lot at work. Then drive home with EV mode again. I suppose one benefit is that the I.C.E. could run at its most efficient configuration during the entire charge session, rather than adjusting for driving conditions.
This is a good feature to have when coupled with EV to Home device in case of extended power outages. 70kW is a lot more than the QC rate of charging of the 12kWh battery (can I use it to charge the Leaf :D?) But short 10-15 minutes runs to keep the SOC between 20-80% would likely be more efficient than a standby generator and a lot less noisy.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:55 am

camasleaf wrote:...70kW is a lot more than the QC rate of charging of the 12kWh battery (can I use it to charge the Leaf :D?) But short 10-15 minutes runs to keep the SOC between 20-80% would likely be more efficient than a standby generator and a lot less noisy.
I wonder how hard it would be to modify it for use as a mobile DC charger, for BEVs?

Only real "scoop" in the report and slide-show below is the stated 1810 kg curb weight.

A significant achievement, IMO, if Mitsu can actually bring a mid-sized 4WD PHEV SUV to market, that's only ~100 kg heavier than a Volt.

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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:35 am

edatoakrun wrote:I wonder how hard it would be to modify it for use as a mobile DC charger, for BEVs?
It will give a new meaning to "jump start". It will require:

1 - a way to keep the Outlander battery out of the charging system
2 - connection from the outlander charger to DC connector of the Outlander
3 - and male - male Chademo "jump cable"
4 - software changes to let the Leaf tell the Outlander charger the rate of charge
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All this assumes that battery voltages are similar and the Outlander does a QC charging when it charges the battery in the car from the 70kW generator. If the Outlander DC charging is bundled with its BMS than if could be get a lot more complicated.
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Re: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV to come by Mar-2013

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:59 pm

camasleaf wrote:It will give a new meaning to "jump start". It will require:

1 - a way to keep the Outlander battery out of the charging system
2 - connection from the outlander charger to DC connector of the Outlander
3 - and male - male Chademo "jump cable"
4 - software changes to let the Leaf tell the Outlander charger the rate of charge

All this assumes that battery voltages are similar and the Outlander does a QC charging when it charges the battery in the car from the 70kW generator. If the Outlander DC charging is bundled with its BMS than if could be get a lot more complicated.
You wouldn't need to modify the leaf, assuming the Outlander could properly present itself as a CHAdeMO charger. The protocol allows the charger to set a max amperage that the car must respect. Of course, right now a theoretical male to male CHAdeMO cable would cost $5,000. :o

That said, I'm very happy to see a QC-able PHEV on the market! We need more cars with CHAdeMO in America.

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