arnis
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:07 pm

Tesla is shifting to CCS. European Model 3 will have CCS socket (Combo2, similar to Combo1 for US market).
All SuperChargers (with time) on our continent will be retrofitted with CCS cable. Preparations are already in progress.
Model S and X owners will be able to get (soon) CCS adapter so they could use public 50-350kW charging networks
like Model 3.

I suspect Tesla will start shipping Model S/X with CCS socket as soon as 90+% Supercharger locations will have CCS available.
Maybe somewhere mid 2019. I'm absolutely sure Tesla will not have two sockets forever.

Question is, when will switch happen in US/Canada :geek:
Question 2 - who is the first shaking hands with Tesla on SuperCharger network access?

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https://electrek.co/2018/11/14/tesla-mo ... s-model-x/

Just a remark. Teslas with CCS socket will not be able to use current ChaDeMo adapter.
I suspect CCS-ChaDeMo adapter will not be made due to redundancy (most charging stations have both, ChaDeMo is slowly abandoned.
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Charging: Trickle <3kW -- Normal 3-22kW -- Fast 50-100kW -- Supercharging >100kW

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:38 pm

Still a pretty nice slope going.

Looking forward to spring building. I hope they get the Canada route done by summer time (but I have my doubts).

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:47 pm

Via Reddit: First public Tesla V3.0 Supercharger Station goes live Wed 8pm : teslamotors
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/co ... tion_goes/
  • The liquid cooled cables will actually be much thinner than the current SC cables, the coolant pump is located in the base of the white SC stall where the current cable connects and is hung up (v3 can retrofit into existing v2 chargers), and while the cabinets can support 250kW max (so I suppose it would be possible to upgrade to 250kW in the future), the individual chargers will be max 200kW.
  • PV and Power Pack integration is a part of the design spec, but no required.
  • 40% better throughput performance compared to v2 per site
  • Thermal Foldback improvements over v2
  • v3 cabinets get 5 power stages at 70kW output per power stage for 350kW AC -> DC per v3 cabinet
  • v3 cabinet also houses 2x DC-DC modules per post yielding 100kWx2 for the
    200kW delivered per post
  • Any extra power (assuming the extra 50kW the cabinets can produce versus what the chargers are delivering if the cabinet is maxed, or if only partially maxed, any extra power) can be shared across cabinets. Since multiple cabinets will be at each site, this lessens if not removes the v2 "shared" power with linked chargers
  • Site master controller is 4G LTE for communication of all diagnostics (as well as the verify car and billing of power consumed) so better knowledge when a site has a problem - leading to more proactive fixing of sites with broken/mafunctioning chargers
  • The cost reduction will come from higher power conversion efficiency (96% for v3 versus 92% for v2), less harmonics, and no overvoltage sensitivity (though the cabinets are larger and heavier than v2), ultimately leading to an approximate 20% more customers served per dollar spent on power
  • Overall AC input is 438kVA, 526A
  • * Can link up to 7 v3 cabinets per bus (or a block), which can also link to one Power Pack
  • * Cabinets are on a shared DC radial configured bus of 880-1000
  • * This is then pushed out to the chargers (posts) and DC 180-500v, 250kW max
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:59 pm

The information leaks are so comprehensive they sound accurate. Distinctly unusual for Tesla to not keep a lid on things. Perhaps it is explained by Tesla using a 3rd party for installation.

Tomorrow's treat will be in finding out the peak charging rate for my car :D
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:05 pm

arnis wrote:
I suspect CCS-ChaDeMo adapter will not be made due to redundancy (most charging stations have both, ChaDeMo is slowly abandoned.

Yep.
One more good reason to not buy a LEAF in Europe
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:44 pm

Well see how this tweet I saw ages:

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:51 pm

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:19 pm

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

Faster Charging, No More Power Sharing
V3 is a completely new architecture for Supercharging. A new 1MW power cabinet with a similar design to our utility-scale products supports peak rates of up to 250kW per car. At this rate, a Model 3 Long Range operating at peak efficiency can recover up to 75 miles of charge in 5 minutes and charge at rates of up to 1,000 miles per hour. Combined with other improvements we’re announcing today, V3 Supercharging will ultimately cut the amount of time customers spend charging by an average of 50%, as modeled on our fleet data.

Supercharger stations with V3’s new power electronics are designed to enable any owner to charge at the full power their battery can take – no more splitting power with a vehicle in the stall next to you. With these significant technical improvements, we anticipate the typical charging time at a V3 Supercharger will drop to around 15 minutes.

On-Route Battery Warmup
New Supercharging infrastructure isn’t the only way we are improving our customers’ charging experience. Beginning this week, Tesla is rolling out a new feature called On-Route Battery Warmup. Now, whenever you navigate to a Supercharger station, your vehicle will intelligently heat the battery to ensure you arrive at the optimal temperature to charge, reducing average charge times for owners by 25%.

This combination of higher peak power with V3, dedicated vehicle power allocation across Supercharger sites, and On-Route Battery Warmup enables customers to charge in half the time and Tesla to serve more than twice the number of customers per hour. Additionally, we are also unlocking 145kW charge rates for our 12,000+ V2 Superchargers over the coming weeks.

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:14 am

Various forums are pointing out these reddit charts:
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/co ... hart_1580/

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:18 am

AWESOME, AWESOME NEWS

Someone posted this graph

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If this pans out, it is a phenomenal improvement to the network since it looks like ~ 165 average kW charging for the lower 15 - 65 SoC of the battery where long trips will oscillate.
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