EVDRIVER wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:27 pm
GRA wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:03 pm
EVDRIVER wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:42 am
Do you think companies get to force property owners and permit approval to their own timelines? Many of the locations are held up for years as a result of negotiations. red tape, and technical issues. When you work in an industry related to doing this type of work even on the residential side you would know it is a complete nightmare and nothing goes as planned even at the most conservative estimates. The good thing is the private for-profit networks have covered the US very well with their single-focus business models with no distraction of building cars.
As I pointed out, Tesla has an existing arrangement with Holiday Inn Express and had already built SCs at numerous other of their motels, so that argument doesn't work there. Having installed a PV system in Yosemite, if you think dealing with private companies and local governments is a bureaucratic nightmare, try dealing with a federal government agency - took me two years and having to deal with 5 different departments to get everyone's sign-off.
Regarding most of the other sites mentioned, Tesla has had them shown as "Coming Soon" for several years now on their own SC map and lists, so raising expectations and the subsequent failure to meet them is theirs.
So your logic is because one location worked another should go quickly as well? Your logic and experience in these matters is flawed. Locations on a map for long periods of time also have no significance to any conclusions. It can take a year just to get PGE to agree on the entry point for power into a residential home so don't think Holiday Inn has some magic wand to solve all issues. If you actually worked in construction and dealt with these issues you would realize how insane you sound. Don't forget one resident can hold up any project for years. Put that on the list of hundreds of possible reasons for delays.
It certainly eliminates holdups from the property owner's end if the corporation is onboard, as HIE is; Day's Inn is another such for Tesla (for EA, having Walmart and Target buy-in are examples of just how fast things can move). But as noted, Tesla ultimately didn't use HIE and went across the street instead. And unlike many of the years-delayed "Coming Soon" sites, Tesla hadn't listed Tusayan as such, so at least they didn't raise anyone's expectations there.
As to "Locations on a map for long periods of time also have no significance to any conclusions", if so, why did Tesla even put them on the map in the first place? This wasn't a case of potential sites, these were "Coming Soon". We've learned that for Tesla, "Soon" can vary from "this week" to "maybe sometime this decade," but it's entirely on them for so twisting the definition of "Soon".