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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:46 am

This is all speculation, but if you want to speculate, try thinking about this from Nissan's point of view.

1. Nissan is under no obligation to make public details of their production schedule or which market those cars are destined for. In fact there is a great incentive not to make that public, because failure to adhere strictly to that schedule will cause speculation here and elsewhere that there is some serious problem with the Leaf. 20K in the USA by the end of 2011 is what we have been told, and I don't expect additional details.

2. There is significant skepticism in the general public and press that EVs are viable. Even one problem will be blown out of proportion. So Nissan needs to insure that that the initial roll out goes flawlessly, and they will be very careful to make sure there are zero problems with the first several hundred cars. This means slow production and time taken to individually quality check each Leaf. This will translate to low numbers for the first several months. See EVNOW's projected monthly production numbers earlier in this thread - seems like a reasonable projection, and it shows getting to 20K before the end of 2011. So the only projected production number that Nissan has released is still very possible.

3. Once Nissan gets to the level of confidence they want in the Quality Control of their production, they have every incentive to maximize their monthly production, since selling cars is how they make money. It is reasonable to expect at some point a big jump in monthly production, and Nissan wants badly to get to that point. But they will have goals and standards that have been designed into the roll out that need to be met first. As future Leaf owners, we should be happy that Nissan is sticking with their standards to insure that we get a quality car.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:09 pm

If you are getting a gas-using car, assume for a moment that all existing gas stations do not exist, and that you can only use newly-built stations, or a new, proper, certified gas tank and pump to be installed on your property.

Now, that makes the roll-out of your gas-eater more complicated, and closer to (no, NOT the same as) what Nissan is trying to accomplish.

Stated simply, Nissan (trying to roll-out widely, and in several countries) has a MUCH bigger job than any other vehicle roll-out in history.

Consider giving them some slack to get it done successfully. If you need to complain, go to your PU, Building Department, or Law-Makers and demand to know why THEY are holding things up.

Then, we may move from the dark into the light, and you can be proud that you actually helped.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:18 pm

Still, with little information from Nissan, I am starting to become frustrated. Even a two-month window would be OK. Just not "Pending". An urge hit me this morning to end to the uncertainty and hold out for a 2012, and have seat heaters, pleather seats, possibly improved crash protection, etc. Or get something else.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:29 pm

Yes, yes, follow your urges ...

"That's not the car we're looking for, move along." :D

But, you COULD wait in line, AND follow other paths, right?
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:43 pm

garygid wrote:But, you COULD wait in line, AND follow other paths, right?
I just don't like getting jerked around. It's been eight months since 4/20, and all I have been told is that I might see a Leaf in 2011. Nissan could do better.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:44 pm

We all could.
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:45 pm

I would appreciate a formal letter and/or phone call from a live Nissan person stating: "your LEAF as well as others have been delayed due to..." I would prefer this rather than free stickers, magnets and a LEAF shirt! I called my Nissan LEAF dealer, I have called, "live chat" and e-mailed Nissan- no explanation for my LEAF delay. I have my AV charger installed and I am ready! Just wish Nissan would say what is going on!? LEAFs are being delivered so it can't be that they are problems. I understand that Nissan is inspecting the LEAFs but come on!
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:48 pm

So, you do not like the explanation they gave you.

What reason would satisfy you?
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:14 pm

Uh, NISSAN has told me that there is no delay! Also, Nissan first said that I (as well as others) would get their LEAFs in 2 to 3 months NOW it is 4 to 6 months or 4 to 7 months! NO REASON and NO JUSTIFICATIONS by Nissan. That's fine- I will take my LEAF and when my lease is up they can have their vehicle back. There used to be this thing called customer service- guess I was dreaming again! :!: :?:
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Re: I would be happy if nissan wasn't keeping us in the dark

Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:19 pm

charlie1300 wrote:This is all speculation, but if you want to speculate, try thinking about this from Nissan's point of view.

1. Nissan is under no obligation to make public details of their production schedule or which market those cars are destined for. In fact there is a great incentive not to make that public, because failure to adhere strictly to that schedule will cause speculation here and elsewhere that there is some serious problem with the Leaf. 20K in the USA by the end of 2011 is what we have been told, and I don't expect additional details.

2. There is significant skepticism in the general public and press that EVs are viable. Even one problem will be blown out of proportion. So Nissan needs to insure that that the initial roll out goes flawlessly, and they will be very careful to make sure there are zero problems with the first several hundred cars. This means slow production and time taken to individually quality check each Leaf. This will translate to low numbers for the first several months. See EVNOW's projected monthly production numbers earlier in this thread - seems like a reasonable projection, and it shows getting to 20K before the end of 2011. So the only projected production number that Nissan has released is still very possible.

3. Once Nissan gets to the level of confidence they want in the Quality Control of their production, they have every incentive to maximize their monthly production, since selling cars is how they make money. It is reasonable to expect at some point a big jump in monthly production, and Nissan wants badly to get to that point. But they will have goals and standards that have been designed into the roll out that need to be met first. As future Leaf owners, we should be happy that Nissan is sticking with their standards to insure that we get a quality car.
Charlie: Now here's a post that really makes sense. I agree 100% with your views. :)
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