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Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and ChadeMo

Sun May 20, 2012 9:21 am

With very little effort, Nissan can put the Frankenplug right next to the Chademo port, where the current J1772 plug is located. Now the car would accept J1772, SAE DC, and ChadeMo.

The effort would not be to foster expansion of Nissan's "competitor" charging standard, but instead to make their attack on Nissan mute. In case you haven't heard, GM is lobbying California to stop deployment of your ChadeMo charging infrastructure in favor of their own "standard". Again, not just a competing standard; they want to stop ChadeMo in the USA.

I guarantee that GM will not offer the same option to have both ports. Advantage Nissan, who can claim all standards accepted, unlike Government owned Motors.

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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 11:18 am

GM is risking bad publicity here, in any case Volts are selling better than Leafs so why are they bothering?

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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 11:38 am

Good idea. Because there is no ICE they have extra room for all the countries standards.

They could add the IEC 62196-3 DC Charger and China's Type 2 (DKE) connector (that added a mode that puts DC power on existing AC pins). My gosh how could these folks/countries not use ChadeMo! I'm sure it was the GM influence! You folk's scapegoating is really funny from the outside looking in.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 14#p198914" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...SAE endorsed standard will be supported by nine car manufacturers not eight. Renault [Nissan partner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault-Nissan_Alliance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;] did not participate in the EVS26 announcement of eight, but announced support for this standard separately. One benefit of the SAE standard is that it is also supported by the ACEA in Europe, something which CHAdeMO is not. So there is USA/EU agreement, but it is not perfect without Japan, South Korea and China, all of which have gone in different directions.
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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 11:53 am

scottf200 wrote:Good idea. Because there is no ICE they have extra room for all the countries standards.

They could add the IEC 62196-3 DC Charger and China's Type 2 (DKE) connector (that added a mode that puts DC power on existing AC pins). My gosh how could these folks/countries not use ChadeMo! I'm sure it was the GM influence! You folk's scapegoating is really funny from the outside looking in.
...SAE endorsed standard will be supported by nine car manufacturers not eight. Renault [Nissan partner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault-Nissan_Alliance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;] did not participate in the EVS26 announcement of eight, but announced support for this standard separately. One benefit of the SAE standard is that it is also supported by the ACEA in Europe, something which CHAdeMO is not. So there is USA/EU agreement, but it is not perfect without Japan, South Korea and China, all of which have gone in different directions.
Thanks for the GM shill. GM is not trying to stop the Chinese DC standard in China, to be replaced with their own. But they are trying that here, in the USA, with the current ChadeMo that EXISTS in over 10,000 USA cars and dozens of charging stations. There are currently zero cars and zero stations that use the GM Frankenplug.

Then you just reposted another shill for the SAE standard, our friend Ashley, without any quotation, like it was your work. Please stay in your GM world.

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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 12:21 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:Thanks for the GM shill. GM is not trying to stop the Chinese DC standard in China, to be replaced with their own. But they are trying that here, in the USA, with the current ChadeMo that EXISTS in over 10,000 USA cars and dozens of charging stations. There are currently zero cars and zero stations that use the GM Frankenplug.
Is the fact there are nine car manufacturer an incorrect statement?

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As a reminder I never paid any attention to GM/Chevrolet at all before the Volt. I come from a Ford oriented family and have owned a few other brands.
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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 12:50 pm

Ok, 9 for Frankenplug.

How many for ChadeMo? 9?

Does the number matter?

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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 1:21 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:Ok, 9 for Frankenplug. How many for ChadeMo? 9? Does the number matter?
I'd say that two major bodies evaluated the options for world wide standard and agreed is what is significant and matter. Nissan obviously thought the J1772 standard was OK and did not create their own.
* ACEA - European Automobile Manufacturers' Association http://www.acea.be/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
* SAE - http://www.sae.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA) has a lot of members:
http://www.acea.be/collection/about_us_acea_members/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BMW GROUP - http://www.bmwgroup.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DAF TRUCKS NV - http://www.daftrucks.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DAIMLER AG - http://www.fiatgroup.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FORD OF EUROPE GmbH - http://www.ford.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
GENERAL MOTORS EUROPE - http://www.gm.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
HYUNDAI MOTOR EUROPE GmbH - http://www.hyundai-europe.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
IVECO S.p.A. - http://www.iveco.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
JAGUAR LAND ROVER - http://www.jaguarlandrover.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MAN Truck & Bus AG - http://www.mn.man.de" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dr. Ing. h.c.F. PORSCHE AG - http://www.porsche.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PSA PEUGEOT CITROËN - http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
RENAULT SA - http://www.renault.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
SCANIA AB - http://www.scania.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
TOYOTA MOTOR EUROPE - http://www.toyota.eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
VOLKSWAGEN AG - http://www.volkswagenag.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
VOLVO CAR CORPORATION - http://www.volvocars.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 2:35 pm

How difficult would it be to develop a ChadeMo to Frankenplug physical adapter?
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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 2:57 pm

ENIAC wrote:How difficult would it be to develop a ChadeMo to Frankenplug physical adapter?
Easy. To make the electronics work. Difficult. Besides, I have a feeling that BMW may want to offer the reverse; Frankenplug to ChadeMo. By the time their i3 hits the streets, there will be 300 or 400 ChadeMos in Europe (now 207) and maybe 100 in the USA. There won't likely be a single Frankenplug then anywhere.

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Re: Advantage NISSAN: Offer both SAE/GM Frankenplug and Chad

Sun May 20, 2012 3:04 pm

GM' found nine suckers for their Nissan roadblock Frankenplug. ChadeMo has over 170 members, and 193 supporting members.

http://chademo.com/pdf/memberlist.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does this mean Peugeot, Citroen and Volvo get kicked out of GM's club (should they ever want to join)? Or just out of Europe?

Oh, those 207 ChadeMo chargers in Europe must not exist. SAE Frankenplug chargers anywhere in the world; ZERO. Chademo: about 1400. Of that total, about 30 in the USA. SAE Frankenplug in USA: zero.

GM Frankenplug cars on the road; zero. Chademo 30,000.

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