DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:25 am

i work with people to pair their cellphones to the new cars they have purchased.

you really expect people to understand this shifter knob system that really only makes sense to you?

try to explain the term "context dependent" when people want to know why the "menu" button does different things at different times
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:45 am

Here is an alternative idea based on current trends.

To start your car you must do ONE of the following:
  • Press "talk" on your cel phone
  • Open text app, twitter app, or facebook app on your cel phone
  • Move rearview mirror so you can see yourself (mainly applies to women)
  • Insert Starbucks Latte into cupholder
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:52 pm

SierraQ wrote:Here is an alternative idea based on current trends.

To start your car you must do ONE of the following:
  • Press "talk" on your cel phone
  • Open text app, twitter app, or facebook app on your cel phone
  • Move rearview mirror so you can see yourself (mainly applies to women)
  • Insert Starbucks Latte into cupholder
  • You do the Hokey-Pokey
  • You turn yourself around
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:55 pm

And that is intuitive and expected by just about anyone who drives a car, as it should be... The other would not be to anyone who was not specifically versed in it in advance.
HoustonFlier wrote:IMHO that what it feels like now. FoB in hand (or safely located next to your jewels ;) ), push Start, Step on brake, move puck right, move puck in to D or R.
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:10 pm

SierraQ wrote:To start your car you must do ONE of the following:
  • Press "talk" on your cel phone
  • Open text app, twitter app, or facebook app on your cel phone
  • Move rearview mirror so you can see yourself (mainly applies to women)
  • Insert Starbucks Latte into cupholder
Oh dear! Now I know I'm a Luddite.
  • No "talk" button on my cell phone
  • My phone doesn't do apps
  • I'm not a woman, and I don't want to see myself
  • I hate the taste of coffee
I guess there is a silver lining, though -- I'd never exceed the mileage quota on my leased car if it worked like that.

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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:19 pm

planet4ever wrote:
SierraQ wrote:To start your car you must do ONE of the following:
  • Press "talk" on your cel phone
  • Open text app, twitter app, or facebook app on your cel phone
  • Move rearview mirror so you can see yourself (mainly applies to women)
  • Insert Starbucks Latte into cupholder
Oh dear! Now I know I'm a Luddite.
  • No "talk" button on my cell phone
  • My phone doesn't do apps
  • I'm not a woman, and I don't want to see myself
  • I hate the taste of coffee
I guess there is a silver lining, though -- I'd never exceed the mileage quota on my leased car if it worked like that.

Ray

Talk buttons are pretty standard. It is usually in the shape of a green phone on the stupid phone variety. *Note: I say stupid phone as it is the opposite of smart phone, not due to the intelligence level of the user. Just wanted to clear this up as my sarcastic humor has a tendency to offend people on this forum.*

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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:14 pm

My tanks had a start button so why not my Leaf?

:lol:
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:01 am

TomT wrote:And that is intuitive and expected by just about anyone who drives a car, as it should be... The other would not be to anyone who was not specifically versed in it in advance.
HoustonFlier wrote:IMHO that what it feels like now. FoB in hand (or safely located next to your jewels ;) ), push Start, Step on brake, move puck right, move puck in to D or R.
I drive a cars, and I did not feel it was that intuitive.

1. Key in pocket
2. Button to start (yes, I know, decades ago it was start button too, but not that old!)
3. Move shifter LEFT! Never used an automatic transmission car had to move LEFT. Usually DOWN. (granted Manuals you do)
4. Move shifter (after left), UP to go Reverse (most manuals its way to Right, then Up or Down)
5. To go Neutral, just a left move, NOTHING I know in cars does this.
6. To Park, push button in middle. Again, NOTHING I know in cars does this.

Here is the test:
If anyone who never sat in Leaf before, WITHOUT LOOKING, can correctly shift to different modes?
Even in manuals, one can figure out the gears and Reverse dry shifting a couple of times (not engage clutch).
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:24 am

HoustonFlier wrote:Here is the test:
If anyone who never sat in Leaf before, WITHOUT LOOKING, can correctly shift to different modes?
Even in manuals, one can figure out the gears and Reverse dry shifting a couple of times (not engage clutch).
Dumb test. You have to look to know how to shift any car. Besides, most of the manuals I've owned recently have all had reverse in the LEFT-UP position. The Prius has used the exact same pattern for over ten years, and this is obviously the Japanese standard for electronic shifters. Might as well get used to it.
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Re: Why even have a "Start" button??!?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:06 am

HoustonFlier wrote:Why even have a "Start" button??!?
...
I have the key fob, get in car, move the Shift Puck to Drive, and off I go.
You need a start button because you need to do things other than drive & go.

This is a "solution" looking for a problem.

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