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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:55 am

So at what point is POTUS complicit in the deaths of thousands of people?
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 pm

Nubo wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 am
Some family members recently learned they'd been exposed to someone who contracted the virus. They sought testing and were told it would be a week's wait. So much for testing and isolating. But "SLOW THE TESTING DOWN PLEASE" is what we get from POTUS.
Wife's eldest daughter had a birthday party 2 weekends ago. Just for immediate family, but we weren't invited because it was already well known how we would have responsded. It was a stupid idea.

Of course, somebody at the party that day brought Coronavirus with them and the two grand-daughters got sick with it. One pretty severely, but not enough to need a hospital stay, and the other just with mild symptoms (including the loss of taste you hear about). Everyone else at the party had been tested and came back negative as of this weekend.

Needless to say, that side of the family are the ones who support Trump.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:16 pm

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-say ... untry.html

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:23 am

What this means is runaway pandemic in large areas of the country until a good vaccine is widely available - and then another 6-12 months after that. I wonder if places like New York will be able to maintain our relative control, because social distancing and mask wearing are already breaking down all over. It looks like we are taking the cruel "herd immunity" route to the other side...leaving hundreds of thousands or more to die while we do.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:27 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:23 am
What this means is runaway pandemic in large areas of the country until a good vaccine is widely available - and then another 6-12 months after that. I wonder if places like New York will be able to maintain our relative control, because social distancing and mask wearing are already breaking down all over. It looks like we are taking the cruel "herd immunity" route to the other side...leaving hundreds of thousands or more to die while we do.
I disagree.

I suspect that nightly news of people dying while waiting in their cars to get into the hospital where the outbreaks are will revive mask wearing even in less hit areas.

We are a long ways from herd immunity. NYC would need to go through two more outbreaks like the last one to get there. Most places would need three outbreaks like that... and don't have the medical resources to support the critical cases.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:23 am
What this means is runaway pandemic in large areas of the country until a good vaccine is widely available - and then another 6-12 months after that. I wonder if places like New York will be able to maintain our relative control, because social distancing and mask wearing are already breaking down all over. It looks like we are taking the cruel "herd immunity" route to the other side...leaving hundreds of thousands or more to die while we do.
I'm not even sure it's the goal of "herd immunity" that is driving it. It's more like social Darwinism. Basically they're asking: "Why should I have to sacrifice just to save some old and/or "weak" people"? Along with the belief that they themselves are unlikely to be damaged.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 am

Nubo wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 am
I'm not even sure it's the goal of "herd immunity" that is driving it. It's more like social Darwinism. Basically they're asking: "Why should I have to sacrifice just to save some old and/or "weak" people"? Along with the belief that they themselves are unlikely to be damaged.
Plus, they've been conditioned by Dear Leader and his flunkies to believe it's a hoax, or at least hugely overblown. So there's that.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 pm

I'm not saying that herd immunity is any kind of "goal." I'm saying that because too many of us don't have the discipline to do what is needed (or even the proper information instilled in us), herd immunity is what will happen. And yes, I understand what that means. Human nature being what it is, and this virus being what it is, survival instinct will kick in too late in the pandemic process. We are a reactive species, not a proactive one.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 pm
I'm not saying that herd immunity is any kind of "goal." I'm saying that because too many of us don't have the discipline to do what is needed (or even the proper information instilled in us), herd immunity is what will happen. And yes, I understand what that means. Human nature being what it is, and this virus being what it is, survival instinct will kick in too late in the pandemic process. We are a reactive species, not a proactive one.
Is heard immunity a guarantee though? I thought I saw a study a week or two back suggesting antibodies to this particular virus may only last a few months, meaning you can get it again. And again. Even the flu shot, if it works, does not work forever, right? Of course if everyone got the virus at the same time, a few months would then be enough for it to die out. That seems quite unlikely though.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:30 pm

Is heard immunity a guarantee though?
I'm not sure where these 'goals' and 'guarantees' are coming from. Herd immunity is what nature evolved to try to stop whole species from being wiped out. If there is no effective vaccine and no vast majority effort to stop the spread, we may die out. More likely we will just stumble on until the next one, with a few tens of millions less of us.
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