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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:15 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:05 pm
This was actually mentioned on local news even though it happened on the other side of the country.

A Tesla Model 3 hit a parked police car in Orlando, driver said she was ‘in Autopilot’
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/28/tesla-m ... pilot.html

SEE: Tesla on autopilot crashes into FHP cruiser on I-4
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/tesla-a ... SBNKQ46OM/
Stopped vehicles in the middle of the road are exactly the situations that users of autopilot (or ANY manufacturer's ADAS systems) are supposed to be on the lookout for. Anyone getting into such accidents were clearly NOT monitoring the road.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:12 pm

CNN picked it up now too


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

I am curious how many more will be allowed before Tesla is told to disable the feature pending investigation.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:26 pm

Tesla must deliver Autopilot crash data to federal auto safety watchdog by October 22
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/tesla-m ... er-22.html

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:10 pm

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-saf ... 090896405/

Just adding this here for completeness.

Looks like NHTSA is interested in how autopilot compares with ADAS systems from the other vendors. Wonder if they'd be shocked at how supercruise can be fooled by gag-glasses?
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:47 pm

Audio captures moments CHP stopped apparently passed-out driver of Tesla on Autopilot in Glendale
https://abc7.com/tesla-autopilot-passed ... /11028280/

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:04 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:10 pm
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-saf ... 090896405/

Just adding this here for completeness.

Looks like NHTSA is interested in how autopilot compares with ADAS systems from the other vendors. Wonder if they'd be shocked at how supercruise can be fooled by gag-glasses?


Presumably some of them may read CR and C&D as well. Of course, many of the points raised in the letter were recommendations made by the NTSB to NHTSA years ago, but at least the NHTSA is finally awakening from their long snooze.

As to the use of gag glasses, that was foreseen by others including me. From an exchange with you in 2019:
The sensors in the steering wheel that register the human touch, though, are easy to cheat, as YouTube videos demonstrate. A well-wedged orange or water bottle can do the trick. Posters in online forums say they have strapped weights onto their wheels and experimented with Ziplock bags and “mini weights.” For a while, drivers even could buy an Autopilot Buddy “nag reduction device,” until the feds sent the company a cease-and-desist letter this summer.

All of which makes the design of similar systems offered by Cadillac and Audi look rather better suited to the task of keeping human eyes on the road, even as the car works the steering wheel, throttle, and brakes. Cadillac’s Super Cruise includes a gumdrop-sized infrared camera on the steering column that monitors the driver’s head position: Look away or down for too long, and the system issues a sharp beep. Audi’s Traffic Jam Pilot does the same with an interior gaze-monitoring camera.

Humans being human, they will presumably find ways to cheat those systems (perhaps borrowing inspiration from Homer Simpson
*) but it’s clear a system that monitors where a driver is looking is more robust for this purpose than one that can be fooled by citrus.
https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... on#p557216


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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:24 pm

ABG:
Tesla needs to address 'basic safety issues' before expanding tech, says NTSB chief

Tesla 'has clearly misled numerous people to misuse and abuse technology'
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/19/tes ... sues-ntsb/

Before Tesla considers rolling out a further expansion of its semi-autonomous driving technology, the automaker should take a hard look at what it's already released, according to Jennifer Homendy, head of the National Transportation Safety Board. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Homendy said, "Basic safety issues have to be addressed before they’re then expanding it to other city streets and other areas."

Homendy further suggested that Tesla "has clearly misled numerous people to misuse and abuse technology." It seems Homendy is referring in part to what she calls "misleading and irresponsible" naming and marketing of the automaker's technology, which includes provisions to automatically steer, accelerate and brake but requires the full attention of a licensed driver who is ready and able to take over if and when the software encounters a situation it can't handle. Tesla calls some of its technologies "Full Self Driving" and "Autopilot," despite the fact that the vehicles are not actually capable of autonomously driving themselves. . . .

Of course, the NTSB and various consumer organizations have been making these same points for the past 5+ years, but maybe we get NHTSA will finally mandate more responsible behavior.
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