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cwerdna said:
“You’re a Schmuck”: Arnold Schwarzenegger Tells People Refusing to Get Vaccinated and Mask Up to Go F--k Themselves
“Screw your freedom…with freedom comes obligations and responsibilities.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/08/arnold-schwarzenegger-vaccines-masks-youre-a-schmuck

Since The Governator was a Republican, hopefully some of the anti-mask, anti-vax, COVID is overblown Republicans will listen...

The Republican Party died in 2016 following a protracted illness. The base no longer adheres to the previous standards and keeps the GOP moniker out of convenience. They will disown anyone who speaks contrary to their views, regardless of previous party standing or accomplishment.
 
South Dakota Covid cases quintuple after Sturgis motorcycle rally
Meade County, home to Sturgis, has had a more than 1,500 percent increase in cases in the past 14 days.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-dakota-covid-cases-quintuple-after-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-n1277567

Not surprising at all... some of the folks that were interviewed this time when asked about the vaccine responded "hell no". I'm sure they also were all masking, social distancing and avoiding indoor gatherings...
 
Outbreak Associated with SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant in an Elementary School — Marin County, California, May–June 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e2.htm
During May 23–June 12, 2021, 26 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases occurred among Marin County, California, elementary school students and their contacts following exposure to an unvaccinated infected teacher. The attack rate in one affected classroom was 50%; risk correlated with seating proximity to the teacher.
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On May 25, 2021, the Marin County Department of Public Health (MCPH) was notified by an elementary school that on May 23, an unvaccinated teacher had reported receiving a positive test result for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The teacher reported becoming symptomatic on May 19, but continued to work for 2 days before receiving a test on May 21. On occasion during this time, the teacher read aloud unmasked to the class despite school requirements to mask while indoors. Beginning May 23, additional cases of COVID-19 were reported among other staff members, students, parents, and siblings connected to the school. To characterize the outbreak, on May 26, MCPH initiated case investigation and contact tracing that included whole genome sequencing (WGS) of available specimens. A total of 27 cases were identified, including that of the teacher. During May 23–26, among the teacher’s 24 students, 22 students, all ineligible for vaccination because of age, received testing for SARS-CoV-2; 12 received positive test results. The attack rate in the two rows seated closest to the teacher’s desk was 80% (eight of 10) and was 28% (four of 14) in the three back rows (Fisher’s exact test; p = 0.036)....
There are also diagrams there, including of the classroom. See figures on the right.
 
Rowlett Restaurant Owner Explains No-Mask Policy After Asking Family To Leave
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/09/18/rowlett-restaurant-owner-explains-no-mask-policy-after-asking-family-to-leave/ - wearing a mask inside this restaurant is NOT allowed. :roll:
 
cwerdna said:
Rowlett Restaurant Owner Explains No-Mask Policy After Asking Family To Leave
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/09/18/rowlett-restaurant-owner-explains-no-mask-policy-after-asking-family-to-leave/ - wearing a mask inside this restaurant is NOT allowed. :roll:
The Ask the Community Q&A at https://www.yelp.com/biz/hang-time-sports-grill-and-bar-rowlett isn't going too well. :)
 
cwerdna said:
Rowlett Restaurant Owner Explains No-Mask Policy After Asking Family To Leave
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/09/18/rowlett-restaurant-owner-explains-no-mask-policy-after-asking-family-to-leave/ - wearing a mask inside this restaurant is NOT allowed. :roll:

Oh sweet Texas. Don't ever change. It's always useful to have ready examples when you're trying to teach children about human folly.
 
Nubo said:
cwerdna said:
Rowlett Restaurant Owner Explains No-Mask Policy After Asking Family To Leave
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/09/18/rowlett-restaurant-owner-explains-no-mask-policy-after-asking-family-to-leave/ - wearing a mask inside this restaurant is NOT allowed. :roll:

Oh sweet Texas. Don't ever change. It's always useful to have ready examples when you're trying to teach children about human folly.


As long as the policy is clearly posted I have no more problem with this than I do with masks-required for such places, unlike the case of Public buildings, grocery and drug stores etc. that everyone has to be able to visit.

Customers can choose whichever they're comfortable with. Given enough time, the ever-shrinking customer base of the no-masks places will likely either close them down or lead them to change the policy.
 
Apparently, 1 in 500 US citizens has now died of COVID-19. The final tally will certainly be higher since the daily toll is creeping up towards 2000/day. I'm fairly cynical already but really - how stupid can people be?
 
The mistake that we all make here is to think of humans as rational beings. We are no such thing. We are emotional, instinct-driven beings who are capable of reason, on a limited basis. If trained from childhood we can reason much or even most of the time. If not specifically trained to reason, we don't - at least not beyond the low level reasoning required to function in a technological society.
 
LeftieBiker said:
The mistake that we all make here is to think of humans as rational beings. We are no such thing. We are emotional, instinct-driven beings who are capable of reason, on a limited basis. If trained from childhood we can reason much or even most of the time. If not specifically trained to reason, we don't - at least not beyond the low level reasoning required to function in a technological society.


Yup. Not that we needed any more proof given all of human history to date, but the past 20 months have provided ample evidence of the human ability to believe whatever they want to believe despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I did think I'd long since lost the ability to be surprised by examples of wilful human stupidity and inability/unwillingness to engage in rational thought, but it turns out I was wrong.

At this point I'm halfway inclined to suggest alternating a no-mask, no-vax policy with the opposite at all football games etc. between Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Florida etc. colleges, and let things fall out from that. But they don't get to move hospital patients out of state - who gets sick in Texas suffers and/or dies in Texas, and they also don't get to ask for help from outside the Covid incubation-ward states.
 
Truck delivers 'funeral home' reverse psychology to the unvaccinated
'I just feel like conventional advertising is not working'
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/21/covid-vaccine-funeral-home-advertising-truck-nfl-carolina-panthers/
 
I found out that an aunt, a cousin and a few others were all infected with COVID19 a few weeks ago. All vaccinated. All OK, after two weeks of being very tired at worst and the rest milder.

Source seemed to be a preschool class.

I'm hopeful that this is typical of the future of COVID19.
 
'Vigilante treatments': Anti-vaccine groups push people to leave ICUs
As the anti-vaccine movement escalates its rhetoric, doctors warn that they're dealing with the fallout: "They’re starting to target people, the messengers — nurses and doctors."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233
 
Marquette poll: Most Republicans don’t consider COVID-19 a “serious problem” where they live
https://www.nbc15.com/2021/09/23/marquette-poll-most-republicans-dont-consider-covid-19-serious-problem-where-they-live/

In that particular poll, 49% of Republicans felt COVID-19 was a serious problem and 51% felt it wasn't. For dems it was 90% vs. 10%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/cnbc-poll-shows-very-little-will-persuade-unvaccinated-americans-to-get-covid-shots.html (CNBC poll shows very little will persuade unvaccinated Americans to get Covid shots) published Sept 10th says
Among the 29% of U.S. voters who are unvaccinated, 83% say they do not plan to get the lifesaving shots, the survey shows."
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"The divide between the vaccinated and unvaccinated was especially apparent along political lines, with 60% of Republicans and 87% of Trump voters in last year’s presidential election responding that they were unvaccinated in the poll. Comparatively, 49% of Democrats and 68% of Biden voters in 2020 said they were fully vaccinated.
 
I spoke with a friend who is a doctor and asked him when it is acceptable to stop providing medical care to someone based on their having refused to use the vaccine, the first line of defense. Maybe there will come a time when all other medical needs get addressed at local hospitals before un-vaxxed COVID patients get attention- seems logical to me. People who do not make the choice to need critical care should get it before people who choose to need it.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

And some more

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

From Slate:

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/hermancainaward-subreddit-antivaxxer-deaths-cataloged.html

Jaded though they are, many r/HermanCainAward readers have experienced this much as I did: as a truly frightening look at what COVID can really be like. What hundreds of stories about deaths told through mean-spirited screenshots reveal is that the disease—when it gets bad—is worse than even the most pro-vax person really understood.

And that’s what sets r/HermanCainAward apart from the didactic pleasures of other schadenfreude-based forums like r/LeopardsAteMyFace: It’s more horrible than satisfying because the horror isn’t going to stop. These individual stories do not produce conversions. These aren’t situations where anti-vaxxers learn their lesson, get vaccinated, and save themselves. Sure, there’s the occasional “Redemption” tag, awarded when a patient or relative regrets opposing vaccination and urges their friends to do what they can to avoid a similar fate. But those are rare. What this massive record of human suffering really illustrates (in all its startling, repetitive sameness) is how seamlessly anti-vax communities reconcile themselves to the deaths their convictions will perpetuate. The posts about individual liberty and self-sufficiency devolve into abjectly dependent appeals: A call to “prayer warriors” is almost a required feature at this point in a r/HermanCainAward entry. When someone dies, the grief is gentle and generic: He was a good guy, he got his angel wings today, it was his time, God called him home. Their families frequently express gratitude to the medical staff who cared for their loved ones. It is resignation, and deeply sad. And yet: Chilled though I’ve been by how this subreddit can rejoice at a death, I’m somehow no less chilled by how easily the bereaved normalize their losses. A 35-year-old man with three young children and a free vaccine available should not be dead! There is astonishingly little recognition of this.
 
dmacarthur said:
I spoke with a friend who is a doctor and asked him when it is acceptable to stop providing medical care to someone based on their having refused to use the vaccine, the first line of defense. Maybe there will come a time when all other medical needs get addressed at local hospitals before un-vaxxed COVID patients get attention- seems logical to me. People who do not make the choice to need critical care should get it before people who choose to need it.


The same thought had occurred to me, but the question then becomes where do you draw the line? How about the morbidly obese smoker whose diet consists of deep-fried everything, who has a heart attack? They are voluntarily acting irresponsibly, and by smoking around and serving the same food to others, including their family members, may also be putting them at risk.

The speeder who suffers life-threatening injuries? How much over the speed limit before we decide to move them to the tail of the line? Do we treat people they may have injured but who don't need such serious care, first? I might agree with both those cases. The question is, who decides what constitutes unacceptably risky behavior to society? Do we leave it up to individuals? I think not.

Once we accept the concept of withholding medical care for voluntary behavior that disadvantages society, will we stop there? It's not all that big a step from that to eugenics. On balance, while I feel that the voluntarily un-vaccinated who get seriously ill are getting what they deserve, I have strong doubts that we want to open the ethical can of worms that prioritizing treatment in the way you suggest implies.
 
To their credit, it seems to me that nearly all health care workers just want their patients to get well, regardless of how the patient became sick.

One thing that I haven't seen discussed is who pays for all this? I'm not some fiscal weirdo who worries about the deficient or welfare costs, etc but if you zoom out a bit, we as a society are spending loads of medical capital treating something that could easily be prevented. That is just one more facet of the whole miasma of stupidity surrounding the vaccination 'debate' and while it is not as serious as who lives and who dies, it is still a waste of precious resources that could be used much more effectively.
 
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