timhebb
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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:30 pm

Hmmm...the clearer this vision of an efficient robot-car-service future becomes to me, the less I care for it.

I think I'm going to miss driving myself through the In-N-Out window, picking up my order of animal fries and burger, and finding a quiet place to park and enjoy them, looking mindlessly out at the world through my windshield. In the future, it sounds like the vehicle's meter would be running the whole time, I wouldn't get to drive it myself, and I might get charged a clean-up fee if I spilled some ketchup on the car seat.

Doesn't sound like much of a good time to me...
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Re: Nissan to introduce autonomous driving LEAF prototype.

Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:50 pm

It sounds great in theory but we all know how theories often turn out in the real world...
PaulScott wrote:The benefits will far out weigh the negatives.
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Re: Nissan to introduce autonomous driving LEAF prototype.

Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:02 pm

TomT wrote:It sounds great in theory but we all know how theories often turn out in the real world...
PaulScott wrote:The benefits will far out weigh the negatives.
Do you mean like the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution? I'm not sure which theories you're referring to.

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Re: Nissan to introduce autonomous driving LEAF prototype.

Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:29 pm

Head South and/or East and there will be plenty of folks happy to debate the theory of evolution with you! :lol:
PaulScott wrote:Do you mean like the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution? I'm not sure which theories you're referring to.
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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:38 pm

Are they using the same software developers that gave us Carwings?
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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:37 pm

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:39 pm

:lol:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Are they using the same software developers that gave us Carwings?
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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:51 pm

GRA wrote:In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

Yogi Berra
:lol: And about freeways, he might have said "Nobody uses them anymore -- they're too crowded."

Gotta love Yogi :)

Edit: and if, in the future, highways are full of autonomous robot-cars running around to pick up their next appointment,
his statement* could not only turn out to be possible, but true (as many YB-isms are)!

* emphasis on nobody.
I think I just felt my paradigm shift.

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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:14 pm

I can't wait for the unmanned UPS truck to drop off my latest robot filled/shipped Amazon order.
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Re: Autonomous driving LEAF, and the implications for BEVs.

Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:43 am

I hope they didn't use the same technology in the autonomous Leaf...

From the IIHS's test on collision avoidance systems: "The tests demonstrate that most manufacturers still have work to do in perfecting the systems. The insurance trade group, for instance, found the braking wasn't enough to stop the vehicle in the 12 and 25 mph tests of the Infiniti JX SUV. The Toyota Prius V wagon scored so poorly that it didn't qualify for an IIHS front crash prevention rating."

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/l ... 6908.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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