Elon Musk has never misled me about anything but Nissan has over and over.cwerdna wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:23 pmThen you've truly been deluded and misled by the Elon/Tesla hype machine. It's not even clear that whatever Tesla's installing now along w/their sensor suite is even sufficient for SAE level 5 autonomy and an actual robotaxi w/o a safety driver.GaleHawkins wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:38 pmI am serious on every word of my post. Do you even think US Congress will permit coast to coast self driving before 2025? Tesla has 100's of thousands of cars loaded with self driving hardware now and are on track to add a million more self driving EV's every year or so.
Notice how Tesla market "full-self driving capability" in 2016 via the screenshot at https://insideevs.com/news/329323/all-t ... will-be-t/ and what they claimed it'd be able to do?
Teslas don't even have hardware to communicate intent to other vehicles and pedestrians:
https://medium.com/self-driven/seeing-t ... f3628cc7b2 - Ford proposal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqA-QLqi0OY - skip to 2:25, as proposed by Nissan in 2015 (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... us-driving, search for intent)
As for your first statement, it's already been done.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203 ... tonomously
https://www.truckinginfo.com/346341/aut ... and-olakes
https://www.fleetowner.com/technology/a ... truck-trip
Again, if Tesla actually had demonstrated on-par or superior to performance vs. some of the known leaders in the autonomous space, then I'd be way less skeptical. So far, it's just hype and a bunch of features released to their drivers in "beta" form, some of which just barely work or are so dangerous to use, they require constant monitoring/overriding or their drivers just give up on using them or don't dare to after a few tries. (e.g. smart summon, "navigate on autopilot")
Elon has acknowledged that parking lot situations are very complex. You think a robotaxi service can really operate in a wide area if they can't handle parking lots well?
Have even more fun when you go into underground parking structures or covered parking where there's no GPS signal and it can be dark inside.I agree this is a distinct possibility.So are numerous other companies.
https://electrek.co/2019/12/04/nissan ... ike-leaf/
Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf
"Nonetheless, the Leaf’s declining presence can’t be blamed on offering Nissan’s EV at a competitive price and in large volumes. After a bold start nearly 10 years ago, Nissan failed to upgrade the Leaf’s range to meet rising competition. And it didn’t deliver on promises for a full lineup of EVs.
If Nissan hadn’t taken its eyes off the prize, it could still be an EV leader. Instead, the company has to join the back of the line and play catch up."
Nissan is now bringing up the rear trying to play catch up with major cash flow problems even before the bat flu hit.
I expect Nissan has some real talent in the EV division. Sadly the upper management is pissed of over Carlos and are willing to destroy Nissan to get at Carlos. Carlos in Jan called for Nissan to be in bankruptcy in 2022 and that was before he knew about the bat flu factor.
While is Nissan trying to even stay in the EV market place with their second concept EV powered by the 60 kWa battery pack? I expect Renault to walk away since they are looking to China for their EV lineup and Nissan still does not have 2 lines of EV after 10 years. Since 2008 Tesla has brought 5 lines of EV's to the market and have two concept trucks on the road today. Elon Musk talks a lot but he follows it up with a team that makes more than concept EV's like Nissan. Musk is all do and Nissan is all talk. Over the next two years we will learn if Nissan staying in the game in a meaningful way or if they will exit for the pits for the last time.