Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

[cwerdna]

Thanks to a thread over at TMC, I learned of these 3 videos from Yandex, a Russian company that I've mentioned before.

There's nobody in the driver's seat of the first video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhqyrze30bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn_i6Mxc_Pw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUXxzDUw9eA

I guess they like Prius v wagons. They were used in videos 1 and 3 + some previous ones.

[jlv]

At 1:41 in the first video it pulls up behind a LEAF at a traffic light.

And the display on the tablet looks very similar to a product by a company I might know. (I'd recently seem their product close up)

[cwerdna]

AutoX sends its RoboTaxis to work in Shanghai
https://www.zdnet.com/video/autox-sends ... -shanghai/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/autox-cor ... xi-market/

[cwerdna]

I think Autonomous is going to become huge it the next 5 years.

Really? AVs are more difficult than some realized five years ago:

In 2015, I got obsessed with the idea of driverless trucks and started Starsky Robotics. In 2016, we became the first street-legal vehicle to be paid to do real work without a person behind the wheel. In 2018, we became the first street-legal truck to do a fully unmanned run, albeit on a closed road. In 2019, our truck became the first fully-unmanned truck to drive on a live highway. And in 2020, we’re shutting down.

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https://medium.com/starsky-robotics-blo ... b8a6a8a5f5

60 Minutes had a rerun of a story about autonomous trucking. They brought up Starsky and Tusimple. Starsky sent out their truck on the Florida turnpike w/o a safety driver behind the wheel. Oh well, that wasn't enough given the Medium post.

Video at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless ... 020-03-15/ is behind the CBS All Access paywall but it looks like the text is a transcript.

[GaleHawkins]

After doing some reading over the weekend and listening to some of Elon Musk's autonomous driving key employees speak it seems like there is no other company is as advanced in the industry as Tesla now in the last half of 2020.

https://www.iii.org/article/backgroun ... nsurance

"A 2014 study by the University of Texas at Austin of how the advent of autonomous cars may change vehicle ownership found that each shared autonomous vehicle (SAV) replaced about 11 conventional vehicles. The study assumed that only 5 percent of trips would be made by SAVs."

Even proven hardware and software solutions is ONLY the first step necessary for full autonomous vehicles to gain full access to USA streets and interstates. Head winds in the political environment can blow progress backwards. I see Tesla's China market may offer the first options for full autonomous driving since they do not have political parties and liability issues like in the USA.

[cwerdna]

I think Autonomous is going to become huge it the next 5 years.

Really? AVs are more difficult than some realized five years ago:

In 2015, I got obsessed with the idea of driverless trucks and started Starsky Robotics. In 2016, we became the first street-legal vehicle to be paid to do real work without a person behind the wheel. In 2018, we became the first street-legal truck to do a fully unmanned run, albeit on a closed road. In 2019, our truck became the first fully-unmanned truck to drive on a live highway. And in 2020, we’re shutting down.

...
https://medium.com/starsky-robotics-blo ... b8a6a8a5f5

60 Minutes had a rerun of a story about autonomous trucking. They brought up Starsky and Tusimple. Starsky sent out their truck on the Florida turnpike w/o a safety driver behind the wheel. Oh well, that wasn't enough given the Medium post.

Video at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless ... 020-03-15/ is behind the CBS All Access paywall but it looks like the text is a transcript.

update: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless ... 2020-08-23 has the video not behind a paywall.

After doing some reading over the weekend and listening to some of Elon Musk's autonomous driving key employees speak it seems like there is no other company is as advanced in the industry as Tesla now in the last half of 2020.

LOL! If you believe it, then I guess you've drank the kool-aid and/or been deceived by their hype. You wouldn't be the first...

Ask yourself again why they don't haven't had diddly squat in terms of CA autonomous vehicle testing stats reported to the CA DMV (https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/ ... port-2019/ for the most recent year) ever since reporting was required nor anything equivalent to show in actual operation like that of Waymo, Cruise Automation or a robotaxi service that companies like Waymo, Aptiv w/Lyfy (in Vegas) and various Chinese companies have been running. Or, look at Mobileye's been doing (e.g. viewtopic.php?p=582537#p582537). Mobileye looks like they've posted more videos at https://www.youtube.com/c/Mobileye/videos.

[LeftieBiker]

Tesla may be doing development in secret, without the required reporting. It doesn't make sense, though, to assume both that that is happening and that they are ahead of the competition, with no evidence beyond Musk's pronouncements.

[cwerdna]

As a reminder (which apparently was a response to Gale) was my reply at viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10233&p=576960&hilit=dmv#p576960.

Do take a look at the CA DMV autonomous vehicle disengagement reports for all the years at https://web.archive.org/web/20190425134 ... us/testing for Tesla vs. say Waymo and Cruise Automation.

2019 at https://web.archive.org/web/20200229140 ... eport_2019. Tesla for 2019 did a whopping 12.2 miles. Per https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/ ... port-2019/, that year, Waymo did 1.4 million autonomous miles on CA roads w/a disengagement every 13,219 miles. This also assumes Baidu's results are bogus/totally suspect.

It's likely that Tesla is doing some of their on public road autonomous testing outside CA (thus not needed to report to CA DMV) but given Tesla's and Elon's style of hype, why can't they at least show they meet/exceed other known leaders in the space? Why won't they let reporters ride, film and report? How about the general public? How about a beta of a robotaxi like Waymo's been doing for years? It can start out closed w/NDAs and open up later, just like Waymo's done...

When Elon keeps making pronouncements then keeps missing them over and over, while others have already seemingly achieved his aspirations, it makes Elon's credibility in this space rather low and it leads to me to believe they're way behind the leaders + some others who aren't leaders.

[GaleHawkins]

Tesla may be doing development in secret, without the required reporting. It doesn't make sense, though, to assume both that that is happening and that they are ahead of the competition, with no evidence beyond Musk's pronouncements.

I need to get some bush hogging done right now but I will try to get you some links to get you up to speed how Tesla is a moving forward and with hardware and software.

[cwerdna]

^^^
Please watch the video at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless ... 2020-08-23.

Re-examine the dates at https://www.inverse.com/article/55141-e ... us-driving under "A Comprehensive Timeline of Elon Musk’s Autonomy Timelines" that I pointed you to at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 60#p576960.

Look over the CA DMV disengagement reports for Tesla vs. a few leaders in the years I pointed you to.