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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:32 am

Oh, you're such a Canadian, largely agreeing with me instead of dismissing the points I made with contempt :D I have to lie down and take a nap now, the shock is too much for me!
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:39 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:54 pm
Now that I think about it, AEB is usually described as a low speed feature. Earlier Leafs have something like 'automatic braking assist' that slams on the brakes if the car thinks you are trying to brake hard, and won't disengage until the car has stopped. It will also, IIRC, engage at higher speeds - maybe up to 55MPH? It is not popular with those who have encountered it. ;)
Automatic brake assist would keep brakes applied even after the driver released the pedal and the system on the 2011 was very sensitive. At low speeds, it would let go after a few seconds. At highway speeds, it would keep the brakes applied until the car came to a complete stop unless the driver pressed accelerator. I learned to touch the accelerator pedal if the automatic brake assist engaged and I needed the car to not panic stop. The 2015 was less sensitive, but still annoying. I have not yet had the 2019 engage so perhaps Nissan has reduced the sensitivity even more. I was not happy with the system on the 2011 because it nearly caused an accident when I had to brake hard to avoid an accident. I was almost rear-ended when the car continued to brake hard after I released the brake pedal--I hit the accelerator pedal in desperation and that disengaged the panic brake assist.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:00 am

GRA wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:32 am
Oh, you're such a Canadian, largely agreeing with me instead of dismissing the points I made with contempt :D I have to lie down and take a nap now, the shock is too much for me!
Heh heh. Dude. I’m 58 years old. I didn’t get where I am in life by ignoring others points of view even when they counter mine. My dad told me everybody has a story to tell and a contribution to make. I have found that to be mostly true...although there is no shortage of total nut jobs out there as well. :).

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:15 pm

^^^ One hopes we can get back to that attitude in the US, instead of assuming anyone who disagrees with us is an enemy. I tried to get this board to go back to using 'Ignore' instead if 'Foe' for the file name of the list of posters you no longer want to waste time reading for that reason, sadly with no effect. In almost 9 years here I've yet to put anyone on that list, although
I have come close a couple of times.

Anyway, cheers yourself!
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:39 pm

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ge.195490/ has a pretty dramatic video.

The TMC post points to https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020 ... iled.shtml w/more details.
"Tesla Model X Lawsuit Alleges Autopilot Failed
New York Tesla Model X driver says Autopilot caused crash which involved three vehicles."

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:56 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:39 pm
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ge.195490/ has a pretty dramatic video.

The TMC post points to https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020 ... iled.shtml w/more details.
"Tesla Model X Lawsuit Alleges Autopilot Failed
New York Tesla Model X driver says Autopilot caused crash which involved three vehicles."
That video showed it pretty clearly to be driver error (it started accelerating very aggressively AFTER starting to turn). Probably pressed the wrong pedal and panicked.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:48 pm

Tesla with Autopilot hits cop car—driver admits he was watching a movie
The crash threw two officers to the ground, but no one was seriously injured.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/08/mo ... s-cop-car/

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:56 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:48 pm
Tesla with Autopilot hits cop car—driver admits he was watching a movie
The crash threw two officers to the ground, but no one was seriously injured.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/08/mo ... s-cop-car/
and the guy was a doctor? he doesn't sound too smart to me....lucky he didn't kill someone.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:44 am

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:48 pm
Tesla with Autopilot hits cop car—driver admits he was watching a movie
This driver needs to lose his license for a very long time.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:56 pm

ABG:
Tesla 'full self-driving' comes under fire: 'This is actively misleading people'

Despite not making regulatory moves, NHTSA still says there are no full self-driving cars
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/24/tes ... isleading/
Earlier this week, Tesla sent out its “full self-driving” software to a small group of owners who will test it on public roads. But buried on its website is a disclaimer that the $8,000 system doesn't make the vehicles autonomous and drivers still have to supervise it.

The conflicting messages have experts in the field accusing Tesla of deceptive, irresponsible marketing that could make the roads more dangerous as the system is rolled out to as many as 1 million electric vehicle drivers by the end of the year.

“This is actively misleading people about the capabilities of the system, based on the information I've seen about it,” said Steven Shladover, a research engineer at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied autonomous driving for 40 years. “It is a very limited functionality that still requires constant driver supervision. . . .”

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which regulates automakers, says it will monitor the Teslas closely “and will not hesitate to take action to protect the public against unreasonable risks to safety.”

The agency says in a statement that it has been briefed on Tesla’s system, which it considers to be an expansion of driver assistance software, which requires human supervision.

“No vehicle available for purchase today is capable of driving itself,” the statement said.

On its website, Tesla touts in large font its full self-driving capability. In smaller font, it warns: “The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions.”

Even before using the term “full self-driving,” Tesla named its driver-assist system “Autopilot." Many drivers relied on it too much and checked out, resulting in at least three U.S. deaths.
The National Transportation Safety Board faulted Tesla in those fatal crashes for letting drivers avoid paying attention and failing to limit where Autopilot can be used.

Board members, who have no regulatory powers, have said they are frustrated that safety recommendations have been ignored by Tesla and NHTSA.

Bryant Walker Smith, a University of South Carolina law professor who studies autonomous vehicles, said it was bad enough that Tesla was using the term “Autopilot” to describe its system but elevating it to “full self-driving” is even worse.

That leaves the domain of the misleading and irresponsible to something that could be called fraudulent,” Walker Smith said. . . .

NHTSA, which has shied away from imposing regulations for fear of stifling safety innovation, says that every state holds drivers accountable for the safe operation of their vehicles.

Walker Smith argues that the agency is placing too much of the responsibility on Tesla drivers when it should be asking what automakers are going to do to make sure the vehicles are safe. At the same time, he says that testing the system with vehicle drivers could be beneficial and speed adoption of autonomous vehicles. . . .
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