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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:13 pm

goldbrick wrote:
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My understanding is that ozone constantly decomposes to O2, the rate varies tremendously depending on temperature and other conditions. Ambient sunlight at the 'ozone layer' constantly generates ozone which constantly decomposes to 02. CFC's act as a catalyst for the O3 to O2 conversion which reduces the ozone half life which causes an ozone 'hole'.
Sunlight has shortwave UV that splits O2 into two oxygen atoms. These combine with O2 to make O3, ozone. Longer UV wavelengths split O3 into O2 and O, almost all of which recombine to make O3, ozone. No sunlight, O3 is stable in the stratosphere.
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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:08 pm

That's an incredibly scientific illiterate assumption.
Solar wind has effects all the way to ground level, this has been known since the 1960s and is one of the most pervasive denial fantasies in geophysics
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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:08 pm
That's an incredibly scientific illiterate assumption.
Solar wind has effects all the way to ground level, this has been known since the 1960s and is one of the most pervasive denial fantasies in geophysics
Source?
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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:44 am

WetEV wrote:
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Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:33 pm
Just it's own incredibly unstable self, everything else in the atmosphere and solar wind protons.
It's appearing more and more likely that the hole was always there.
Incredibly unstable... So then the concentration drops to zero overnight? Right??
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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:15 am

I'm not sure I buy the argument that O3 only degrades to O2 via UV radiation but I'll ask my son the physics Phd about it. Certainly when used in water disinfectant systems O3 rapidly degrades to O2 without sunlight but obviously that is a different environment than the stratosphere.

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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:30 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:15 am
I'm not sure I buy the argument that O3 only degrades to O2 via UV radiation but I'll ask my son the physics Phd about it. Certainly when used in water disinfectant systems O3 rapidly degrades to O2 without sunlight but obviously that is a different environment than the stratosphere.
You might start your son on this:

DOI: 10.1126/science.243.4892.763
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Re: GCC: NOAA, NASA: Ozone hole modest despite optimum conditions for ozone depletion

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:40 pm

If it's common knowledge the the solar wind doesn't effect even the upper atmosphere it should be easy to prove right?
Prove that and I'll forget all about solar wind effects all the way to ground level.
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