COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

[cwerdna]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emer ... oronavirus

Discuss here.

Here's one current live blog on the situation:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/08/coronav ... wuhan.html

Besides all the implications in terms of human costs (e.g. rapidly spreading infections, illness and deaths), travel (many airlines have reduced or cut service to/from China) and tourism, Wuhan + a bunch of cities being on lockdown, there are effects on supply chains and large companies (e.g. Apple stores closed in China, 2000+ Starbucks closed there), cruise ships where the passengers are held in quarantine, etc.

I saw this in the morning:
Coronavirus claims world's biggest capacity car plant
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... nance.html

Seoul (AFP) - The most productive car factory in the world fell quiet on Friday as South Korea's Hyundai suspended operations at its giant Ulsan complex, hamstrung by a lack of parts with the coronavirus outbreak crippling China's industrial output.

The five-plant network can make 1.4 million vehicles annually, in a coastal location facilitating importing components and exporting cars globally.

edit: updated title

[Nubo]

Doesn't seem containable at this point.

[LeftieBiker]

I think that the idea is to slow the spread until a more effective treatment is determined, and a vaccine is at least being developed. The Chinese government already gave it a a three week head start that has to be overcome.

[mwalsh]

"Delicacy" meats from wet markets? We are LITERALLY living the Contagion movie!!!

[cwerdna]

Yeah. On that note, I didn't get a chance to read this article until now.

China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... oronavirus

[downeykp]

Perspective gentleman. Over 10,000 people have died in the US this flu season with estimates reaching 25000 for the season. As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season. I am thinking that this has everyone over excited or overhyped.
The sun will come up tomorrow.

[WetEV]

Perspective gentleman. Over 10,000 people have died in the US this flu season with estimates reaching 25000 for the season. As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season. I am thinking that this has everyone over excited or overhyped.
The sun will come up tomorrow.

A fine example of whataboutism. Thanks for your misleading comparison.

Novel Coronavirus kills someplace between 0.3% and 3% of those infected.
Seasonal flu kills about 0.01%. Some years more, some years less.

So at best, perhaps 30 times worse than the flu, once NC spreads world wide. Which it likely will.
At worse, perhaps 300 times worse than the seasonal flu. The 1917-1918 flu would be similar.

This is a virus. Spreads far easier than SARS, but is similar in many ways. The fact that is new makes it rather different than "the flu", of which there are multiple strains. What seems likely today is that this virus will spread worldwide, and will reoccur every winter. Hopefully a vaccine will be available in a year or so.

[downeykp]

These are just US Flu statistics. World wide there are more than 650,000 deaths from the flu. Your numbers of "Novel Coronavirus kills someplace between 0.3% and 3% of those infected. Seasonal flu kills about 0.01%. Some years more, some years less" are wrong because we don't yet know how many people have the Corona virus. If there ends up being a lot more coronavirus cases then your 0.3- 3% goes way down.

“When we think about the relative danger of this new coronavirus and influenza, there’s just no comparison,” Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told Kaiser Health News. “Coronavirus will be a blip on the horizon in comparison. The risk is trivial.”

When there are a million coronavirus deaths worldwide then I will take your always snarky remarks and say you are right.
Until then, you are not as smart as you think you are.
Enjoy the rain.

Perspective gentleman. Over 10,000 people have died in the US this flu season with estimates reaching 25000 for the season. As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season. I am thinking that this has everyone over excited or overhyped.
The sun will come up tomorrow.

A fine example of whataboutism. Thanks for your misleading comparison.

Novel Coronavirus kills someplace between 0.3% and 3% of those infected.
Seasonal flu kills about 0.01%. Some years more, some years less.

So at best, perhaps 30 times worse than the flu, once NC spreads world wide. Which it likely will.
At worse, perhaps 300 times worse than the seasonal flu. The 1917-1918 flu would be similar.

This is a virus. Spreads far easier than SARS, but is similar in many ways. The fact that is new makes it rather different than "the flu", of which there are multiple strains. What seems likely today is that this virus will spread worldwide, and will reoccur every winter. Hopefully a vaccine will be available in a year or so.

[cwerdna]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/09/coronav ... -sars.html

Hubei province reported on Sunday morning that there were 81 additional deaths, bringing the total number of deaths in the mainland to 803. The global death toll for the new coronavirus now stands at 805, including one death in the Philippines and another in Hong Kong.

That compares to the SARS outbreak which killed at least 774 people and infected 8,096 people worldwide in 2002 and 2003, according to data from the World Health Organization.
...
The virus has infected more than 35,000 people worldwide, majority of them in mainland China.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/china/sa ... index.html has a graph of # of folks infected and deaths for 2019 novel coronavirus vs. SARS. The former is now outdated.

[mwalsh]

The saddest thing to me is that one of the whistle-blowers, who was silenced by the Chinese authorities in the early days in a possible effort to cover up the outbreak, is now dead. To an outsider to me he looked like a relatively heathy young man. So if he didn't have a chance, it really makes me despair for those who already have compromised health or infirmity due to age.