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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:28 pm

10 Signs the Pandemic Is About to Get Much Worse
https://elemental.medium.com/10-signs-t ... 261bf3885d
“We face rapidly accelerating increase in Covid-19 cases across much of Europe, the USA, and many other countries across the world,” according to an October 14 open letter published in The Lancet journal and signed initially by about 80 of the top infectious-disease experts in the United States and around the world, and hundreds more since. “It is critical to act decisively and urgently.”

Most frustrating for infectious-disease experts: It all could have been prevented. “We should have had this virus under control already,” says Michael Mina, MD, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “We have spectacularly continued to squander any effort in the time that we’ve had.”
Open letter at https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext.

Kids don’t need to quarantine unless they have COVID symptoms, [Florida] governor says
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronaviru ... story.html

Oh boy! Are they aiming to be #1 in terms of COVID-19 deaths per 1 million population?

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:23 am

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Stanford Medical Faculty Lambaste Former Colleague and Trump Coronavirus Advisor Dr. Scott Atlas
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronav ... s/2361236/
A group of 78 researchers and doctors from Stanford Medical School are calling out former colleague and White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Scott Atlas for spreading what they characterized as "falsehoods and misrepresentation of science."

Atlas, who has a background in radiology, was tapped last month as an advisor to President Donald Trump on the COVID-19 pandemic, which has already killed more than 191,000 people in the U.S. alone. Atlas joined the administration’s coronavirus taskforce in mid-August.

The radiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s conservative Hoover Institution has advocated against the use of masks and pushed the White House to adopt a controversial strategy, allowing young people to contract the coronavirus in hopes of achieving "herd immunity." Atlas, who doesn’t have any training or background in infectious diseases, has appeared on Fox News to push for reopening schools and questioned the efficacy of masks.
points to the letter at https://twitter.com/RoxanaDaneshjou/sta ... 55104?s=20.
This unqualified to advise on a pandemic doctor who seems to be anti-mask and a proponent of herd immunity tweeted this which seems a bit ironic...

https://twitter.com/SWAtlasHoover/statu ... 89825?s=20
Scott W. Atlas @SWAtlasHoover Oct 19
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth."

George Orwell, 1984

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:07 am

Ironic indeed. I guess that is what happens when you stop thinking and are only concerned with scoring 'points' for your side.

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:45 pm

First heard this on NPR. Yes national public radio. Pretty sure this is what they were talking about:

https://www.wfdd.org/story/studies-poin ... eath-rates

I guess you can still hide under your bed if you want to.

Were going to get to herd immunity one way or another. The control way is everyone gets it till trumpvirus till it burns it's self out, the experimental way is tons of people get their shot of trumpjuice until there aren't enough people to infect and spread trumpvirus.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:28 am

Yes, and the sissies will choose to do it by getting vaccinated, rather than dying. Don't give in!
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:45 pm
I guess you can still hide under your bed if you want to.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... eath-rates

You really should read the whole thing.
The death rate "is still higher than many infectious diseases, including the flu," Horwitz says. And those who recover can suffer complications for months or even longer. "It still has the potential to be very harmful in terms of long-term consequences for many people."
Death rates are down as hospitals are not overloaded, as well as better treatment. Let it spread freely, and hospitals get overloaded again. Like in Idaho.

Death rates are down because of mask wearing. Mask wearing is a triple play. Less chance of spreading it, less change of getting it, and a milder case if you do get infected.

Immunity to the coronavirus that causes the common cold lasts a year or two. That means that it is likely that starting next year the number of people who catch it twice is likely to skyrocket. Unless we have a vaccine and most people get the vaccine yearly.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:42 am

LEADERSHIP FAILURE

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812
Covid-19 has created a crisis throughout the world. This crisis has produced a test of leadership. With no good options to combat a novel pathogen, countries were forced to make hard choices about how to respond. Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test. They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.

The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. According to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering,1 the United States leads the world in Covid-19 cases and in deaths due to the disease, far exceeding the numbers in much larger countries, such as China. The death rate in this country is more than double that of Canada, exceeds that of Japan, a country with a vulnerable and elderly population, by a factor of almost 50, and even dwarfs the rates in lower-middle-income countries, such as Vietnam, by a factor of almost 2000. Covid-19 is an overwhelming challenge, and many factors contribute to its severity. But the one we can control is how we behave. And in the United States we have consistently behaved poorly.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am

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Less chance of spreading it, less change of getting it, and a milder case if you do get infected.
I definitely agree with the first two statements, but I have doubts about the third.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:50 am

jlv wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 am
Less chance of spreading it, less change of getting it, and a milder case if you do get infected.
I definitely agree with the first two statements, but I have doubts about the third.
Dose of virus matters, for every other virus that has been studied in detail. Starting with smallpox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation

A small dose wakes up the immune system and allows the infection to be often be controlled before it becomes severe.

Yes, Covid hasn't had been studied in enough detail to show this beyond a reasonable doubt in humans. There are studies showing it is likely.

If you were a hamster, on the other hand:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-ar ... 44/5848814
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:07 am

WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:50 am
jlv wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 am
Less chance of spreading it, less change of getting it, and a milder case if you do get infected.
I definitely agree with the first two statements, but I have doubts about the third.
Dose of virus matters, for every other virus that has been studied in detail. Starting with smallpox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation

A small dose wakes up the immune system and allows the infection to be often be controlled before it becomes severe.

Yes, Covid hasn't had been studied in enough detail to show this beyond a reasonable doubt in humans. There are studies showing it is likely.

If you were a hamster, on the other hand:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-ar ... 44/5848814
The dose is actually the most important part of the equation. Masks don't eliminate one from getting sick. Masks do restrict the distance we can transmit an effective viral load but they can also help to reduce any viral load you breathe in.

I think its rather comical in a tragic way that the naysayers use complete utter BS logic to prove a point to themselves. Their ability to rationalize is simply amazing. How I envy their ability to entertain themselves w/o any outside interference from the "downers" like Medicine, Epidemiology or Science.

Nearly every vaccine uses the same mechanism. Introduce the virus to the body in very small quantities insufficient "in most cases" to cause it to replicate. Be it either inactivated, dead or simply very small doses. It still serves the purpose of a wake up call to the body. It is simple and VERY effective and yeah, its hit or miss to a point but the odds are good.

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