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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:29 pm
by downeykp
But you must remember that is the mindset of these assholes. If we would have done nothing how many millions would have died? They don't understand that by locking down we kept the numbers as low as they are. They also do not give a shit about anyone but themselves and the asshole in the White House that could have saved 1000s of lives if he would have listened to people with actual brains ie scientists.

4 brave souls lost their lives in Benghazi and those on the right went apoplectic. Where is the outrage when the utter incompetence of this administration is responsible for the deaths of thousands.

Mike I do believe we are feeding the troll. He just loves him some Fox and OANN. I yell at anyone who does not wear mask in public. They have no idea if the are asymptomatic or not. What gives them the right to put my health in jeopardy?

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:35 pm
by cwerdna
^^^
The scary part is the chart "Taking steps to respond" at https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/20/voters- ... finds.html (which I posted earlier) about 2/3 of the way down (before the article "expands"/gains more content). 93% of one group says they're wearing a face mask in public. Another only 44%. Look at all the other mitigations and the response rate differences.

Gee... I wonder where one group got its misinformation from? Will it take a boatload of deaths and/or serious illness affecting a family member or friends for them to get a clue?

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:40 pm
by Oilpan4
The projections originally said a million or 2 would die with all the shutdown and hide under your bed BS.

No one worried about kids spreading swine flu to each other and elderly and swine flu was far more deadly to kids than trump virus.

I wear a mask for delicate snow flakes. I would hate to have to defend my self against some mentally ill person getting in my face.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:44 pm
by WetEV
cwerdna wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:05 pm
What a bunch of garbage. On another forum, someone tried to make the same claim about the 64 and under age group and pointed to https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... york-city/. Well, look at those numbers for those 64 and under vs. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm "Table 2: Estimated rates of influenza-associated disease outcomes, per 100,000, by age group — United States, 2017-2018 influenza season".
18-44, Covid 19/100,000 18-49 Flu 2/100,000 Roughly 10 X as much risk.

That's likely understated. There are increased strokes, kidney disease, assorted blood clots and heart attacks that seem caused by Covid-19. Many undiagnosed as such.

My 51 year old cousin died of a heart attack in late February. No proof, as no test for coronavirus was given. For lots of reasons the family suspects Covid-19.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:47 pm
by WetEV
downeykp wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:29 pm
4 brave souls lost their lives in Benghazi and those on the right went apoplectic. Where is the outrage when the utter incompetence of this administration is responsible for the deaths of thousands.
Almost 100,000 now.
downeykp wrote:Mike I do believe we are feeding the troll. He just loves him some Fox and OANN.
Most of his stuff seems to come off of Russia Today.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:04 pm
by cwerdna
Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:40 pm
The projections originally said a million or 2 would die with all the shutdown and hide under your bed BS.
Reputable source of this?

The projections of millions of deaths in the US from COVID-19 was if there was no lockdown and no social distancing.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm
by Oilpan4
7 states never shutdown, everyone kept saying "they'll be sorry", but to turns out they're fine.
I know places like NYC and parts of jersey never had a chance since social distancing is impossible by design.

I really don't think anyone should have to do x,y or z to make someone else feel safe. If you live in a big city and don't feel safe, well that's your fault for living there. Did someone make you to live there by force or threat of force?
You are responsible for your own personal safety, no one else.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:13 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm
You are responsible for your own personal safety, no one else.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Maybe in Russia, Troll.

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:18 pm
by cwerdna
cwerdna wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:55 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:17 pm
How about the 7 states that never shut down it seems they are containing the out break?
Oh and at what point are "they going to be sorry they didn't"? I was hearing that alot 6 weeks ago, not a peep any more.
What are those 7? Are the ones at https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics ... index.html what you had in mind?
Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm
7 states never shutdown, everyone kept saying "they'll be sorry", but to turns out they're fine.
As for "never shutdown", well, I went thru the list that I found at https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics ... index.html at https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... virus.html. Even if they had no statewide stay-at-home-order, they all seemed to have shutdown all sorts of businesses (e.g. food and drink, retail, personal care (barbers, nail salons, etc.), gyms, etc.) And, some are still shut.

It's rather disingenuous and misleading to claim they didn't shut. Those 7 states shut many/most of the same businesses that others with SAH orders did. And, as Dave pointed out, some of those states were hit very badly due to infections at meat processing plants:
https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local ... 758fe.html
https://abc11.com/smithfield-foods-pork ... k/6143134/

Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:32 pm
by Oilpan4
WetEV wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:13 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm
You are responsible for your own personal safety, no one else.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Maybe in Russia, Troll.
I was thinking Warren vs Washington DC.
The supreme court when it was firmly under liberal control upheld the ruling.
Yep sounds like russia.
If your understood what you were reading there you would know it refers to the collective, not the individual.