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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:49 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:23 pm
Most of the people catching trump virus now are young people and disproportionately minority accord to cnn.
I thought only old white people went to trump rallies?
So if it's spreading at trump rallies where only old white people are attending l, how is it spreading so fast in the 25 to 35 age group?
As for younger people, it's because of scenes like https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/07/0 ... ot-vpx.cnn and them going to bars and other things where they're not wearing masks nor socially distancing, likely because they've underestimated its seriousness and/or they're confident they won't die from it.

You've seen stuff like this from May 24, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU4HbzNRDEM

As for minority, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-4811736 is part of it.

And, as I wrote at https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-12034266 (you'll need a free account there to see it),
From what I've gathered from news and 60 Minutes coverage, although they didn't mention mass transit nor elevators (which is probably part of it) and the very high population density, yes, hospitals were overwhelmed.

Also, certain poor communities were hit very badly (e.g. the Bronx). People of color were hit more badly. These poorer communities tended to have more people with pre-existing conditions.

Poverty, pollution and neglect: How the Bronx became a coronavirus 'formula for disaster'
The Bronx's plight is just one example of how the virus has disproportionately impacted minority communities around the city and nation. Hispanics accounted for 34% of COVID-19 deaths in New York City though they make up 29% of the population, while African Americans made up 28% of the deaths, but 22% of the population, according to data released by the city. Early data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also shows African Americans are disproportionately shouldering the impacts of the virus nationwide.
Home to the poorest congressional district in the country and what researchers say is the unhealthiest county in the state of New York, the Bronx has long been plagued by underlying illnesses now associated with an increased vulnerability to COVID-19, such as respiratory problems, diabetes and heart disease. More than 91% of Bronx residents who died from COVID-19 had underlying conditions as of April 10, according to New York City Health Department data.

For decades, the borough suffered under some of the worst air pollution in New York City. The Bronx contains seven of the city's top-10 neighborhoods for asthma rates, according to an analysis by housing-data website Localize.city. The Morrissiana/Highbridge neighborhood, home to the city's second-highest asthma rate, is now among the city zip codes worst hit by the coronavirus, according to health department data.

As COVID-19 deaths continue to rise in the Bronx, Johnson said many residents feared their historically polluted air had left them particularly vulnerable to the virus.
There's a lot more. Search the above for health.

I probably watched Sick doctors, nurses and not enough equipment: NYC health care workers on the fight against the coronavirus when it aired. I know I watched "Beyond anything I've seen in my career": Doctors on the front lines describe surge in coronavirus patients when it aired.

And, Gov Cuomo has said that (over there), 80% of those who end up on a ventilator from COVID-19 die.

Although not directly mentioned in the news stories I've seen, for infection, you've got at least 3 airports that common hubs/stopping points for travel: EWR, LGA and JFK w/tons of people passing to/from Europe besides NYC being a tourist destination. Notice how badly much of Europe has been hit per COVID-19 Map

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason for the decline in NY deaths is for similar reasons to NPR Choice page.
Unfortunately, all the links didn't make it over so you'll need to see that post to visit the links. Some of the stories may be behind a CBS All Access paywall now.

Also, many states had started opening up more recently, so that means a lot of people could return to work and possibly get exposed. Rising rates have forced some areas to close back down (e.g. https://abc7news.com/business/napa-coun ... s/6309179/). Off the top of my head, AZ, FL and TX are getting hit pretty hard in terms of ICU and hospital fullness + high test positivity rate besides raw # of positive cases.

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:47 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:23 pm
Most of the people catching trump virus now are young people and disproportionately minority accord to cnn.
I thought only old white people went to trump rallies?
So if it's spreading at trump rallies where only old white people are attending, how is it spreading so fast in the 25 to 35 age group?
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:59 pm

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Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:45 am
I don't know if this should be in the Trump topic or here.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/08/ ... ak-source/

“In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots,” Dart said.
Several large events. One with most everyone wearing masks, one with most everyone not wearing masks. Connect the dots.
And, for those who didn't read the piece, these sorts of numbers were quoted in other news sources:
Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.
Some folks traveled to the area from outside the county to attend so there's got to be some more besides some of the known cases of those who attended the rally (e.g. Herman Cain (aka pizza guy) and Guilfoyle (Trump Jr's girlfriend)).

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:26 pm

Most of the people catching trump virus now are young people and disproportionately minority accord to cnn.
I thought only old white people went to trump rallies?
So if it's spreading at trump rallies where only old white people are attending, how is it spreading so fast in the 25 to 35 age group?

It's spreading in every category. It seems the red states are now worse off than the blue. Couldn't have anything to do with opening up too early because the mass murderer Trump Twittered everyone to death?

Other normal non-$hithole countries like New Zealand, Canada most of Europe are in a much better place than we are because they have smart people who the leaders are listening to instead of a stupid friggen president who listens to no one. We get the leader we elect and we elected a buffoon.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:11 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:18 pm
Since Canada and Australia supposedly have things under control now, let's add those figures from today so we can revisit later:
Canada: 8,737; 231
Australia: 106; 4
Actually, Australia where I live used to have things under control, but a few high rise apartment blocks in Melbourne became hotspots, and now the state of Victoria had a whopping (for us) 288 new cases in one day. A month ago it was zero new cases in a day.

Now Victoria is a sort of pariah state, and borders have closed in several states, some including my own allow any visitors except Victorians (so there are massive queues at the borders where every vehicle gets checked). There have been stories of people from Victoria having their cars vandalised when they arrived in towns just across the border in some other state.

Of course, it's largely a matter of luck whether one particular city or state gets a cluster or not [ edit: when things are largely under control ].

So far, there hasn't been a large effect on the death toll.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:07 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:02 pm
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
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https://bit.ly/3byPlWE

BTW where are the 60,000 flu fatalities?
Per https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html, US is now past 132K fatalities from COVID-19 and Florida is one of the states being very hard hit.

And, there's this:
Official U.S. coronavirus death toll is ‘a substantial undercount’ of actual tally, Yale study finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/officia ... finds.html
Trust me, Florida is in no danger of running out of people any time soon. This is a natural evolutionary process that kicks in when an area starts to get overpopulated. The weaker ones die off and the stronger go on.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:20 pm

Correct, except that the virus kills some strong people and spares some weak ones. Or, to put it another way: wrong.
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:47 pm

Either way, a good die off of the human population will slow the habitat destruction and save a few other species from extinction.

You people need to get better at following the science here.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:58 pm

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Either way, a good die off of the human population ...
Yeah. Party time! I mean, who doesn't appreciate a good die-off of the human population from time to time? :twisted:
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:26 pm

No $hit. Our troll is a real asshat. His grandparents must be really proud of him.
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