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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:49 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:42 pm
Thousands of people die every day, it's a big country. A lot of those deaths aren't even related to the virus, providers just code them that way for the uninsured so they will get paid.
Yes, it seems likely you heard claims like this from the "news" outlets you follow. That's what what I've heard from another forum in a "Why do people believe COVID-19 conspiracy theories?" thread about the source of this. https://www.mediamatters.org/coronaviru ... d-new-data seems to confirm that.

Yet https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/officia ... finds.html
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2767980 seems to indicate the opposite, that COVID-19 death numbers are actually substantially undercounted.

Even if we discount deaths, you can't ignore hospitals and ICUs filling up.

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 am

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Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:42 pm
Thousands of people die every day, it's a big country. A lot of those deaths aren't even related to the virus, providers just code them that way for the uninsured so they will get paid.
My 51 year old cousin likely died of Covid19 in mid February.

Reported as a heart attack, "like no heart attack the ER doctor had ever seen before". But since then...

Excess deaths show that Covid19 is new mortality, beyond even what is reported as Covid19.

Norway, on the other hand, locked down and controlled Covid19. Funeral homes are asking for relief, as business is down. Fewer old people are dying from flu and such.
"When the measures against the coronavirus were imposed, it turned out that it not only broke the back of the coronavirus but other viruses too," Erik Lande, now head of the family business in the south of the country, told AFP.

"So much so that some of the old and sick people who would have died in normal circumstances are still around," he added.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07- ... early.html

Oh, and check out the picture of the Tesla hearse.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:57 pm

American Passports Are Worthless Now (Map)
Oh the places you can’t go
https://medium.com/@indica/the-plague-s ... b20678a80e

I wonder if this will get pulled down. It's been up there for days, it seems. Has some NSFW language in it.

The EU has banned us for now.

I checked the other day about Japan due to a post on another forum and we're banned too: https://www.japan.travel/en/coronavirus/. Oddly, they banned Canada even though they seem to have it relatively under control. Not sure why Taiwan and New Zealand are banned.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta mayor over city's face mask mandate
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ge ... s-n1234046
Georgia's governor on Thursday sued Atlanta's mayor over that city's mask law, a day after the governor banned local governments from requiring the coverings that health experts say help to stop the spread of COVID-19.
Georgia governor bans cities, counties from mandating masks
https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-gove ... ting-masks

What a moron!

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:57 pm

Moron hardly begins to cover it. What do you call someone who commits serial manslaughter out of stupidity and ideological blindness?
Oddly, they banned Canada even though they seem to have it relatively under control.
They abut something like six of the more asshole-ish US states.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:00 pm

Police identify maskless shopper who pulled gun on masked man at Florida Walmart
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:40 pm

At the risk of introducing more politics, I was dumbfounded by the "approve of Trump on coronavirus outbreak" poll result at https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-dist ... d=71779279. For Now (poll conducted July 12 to 15, 2020), 79% of Republicans approved! What the? I was surprised it could be higher than 20%.

Are they blind to how countries like Taiwan, New Zealand and Hong Kong have handled it? Are they blind to what's going on in AZ, TX and FL w/hospitals filling up and horrendous lines for testing now?

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:49 pm

I suspect that many of them are just reflexively saying "No, we ARE NOT wrong!" Not all of them, though. Reason isn't something that comes easily to monkeys in everyday life, unless the acquisition of food or sex is involved. Since masks and social distancing are related to neither, it quickly becomes Turd Tossing Time...
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:24 am

Why shut down the economy over 200,000 deaths per year when smoking kills over 400,000 per year and the government won't even consider banning cigarettes.
I guess they just need to figure out how to tax the spread of trumpvirus.

Oh and no one calls it trumpvirus any more. I wonder why that is.
trumpvirus
Is going to get you.

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 am

Because someone smoking cigarettes does not have a likely chance of killing my 90 yo parents. Covid does.

Why don't you take all of your Trumpvirus theories and visit your grandparents. I am sure they would love to see you.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:14 pm

No personal attacks please - edit the post. Once it gets interpersonal any value to the site is lost.

This evening's bike ride showed me a couple of HS graduation parties - with no social distancing, no masks, and in one case, cars lined up down the street, with maybe a hundred or more people there, crammed together under an outdoor tent. Upstate NY seems to be begging for a Hot Zone of our own...
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