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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:50 pm

OC Board of Education votes to support return to school without social distancing, masks
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/07/13/o ... ing-masks/
While school districts across California are choosing remote learning to start the school year, the Orange County Board of Education is going a different route. On Monday night, the conservative-leaning board voted on its own guidelines for schools: a return to the old ways, before the coronavirus pandemic.

That means on-campus instruction. No face masks. No keeping 6 feet apart.

The lone dissenting vote was Trustee Beckie Gomez, also the only board member to wear a mask during the meeting.

The board has no power to direct any of Orange County’s 27 school districts to follow its guidelines, which are in direct opposition to those issued by the Orange County Department of Education, state public health officials and others.
Apple Bistro In Placerville Encouraging Customers To Not Wear Masks, El Dorado County Plans Enforcement
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/07 ... forcement/
But one woman says employees pressured her to take her mask off or leave.

“I was very rudely greeted,” said Maggie. “He asked me if I had seen the sign.”

Maggie said she’s been coming to the bistro for 10 years, but this time she left without her order.

“I was definitely not welcome to stay with my mask on,” she said.

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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:03 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:24 am
Why shut down the economy over 200,000 deaths per year when smoking kills over 400,000 per year and the government won't even consider banning cigarettes.

Banning cigarettes and most tobacco products for minors has long been policy. And at least around here, you can't smoke indoors in any public place, or within a certain distance (30'?) of an entrance to same, precisely because second-hand smoke poses health risks to others.

I had to breathe my mom's second-hand smoke for the first 18 years of my life when I couldn't block it out (closed doors with towels blocking the gaps etc.), and I'm very glad that I don't have to worry about breathing anyone else's smoke now whenever I go inside a public place. Besides, relatively few people smoke around here now, thanks to half a century of medical warnings and increasingly strict regulation, so it's pretty easy to avoid those who do when outside.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:40 am

Ah we can just ban trumpvirus. That will fix everything.
Relatively few people smoke cigarettes, that's why it kills 400,000 people per year.
What can I say I'm just overwhelmed with logic here.
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Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:44 am

downeykp wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 am
Because someone smoking cigarettes does not have a likely chance of killing my 90 yo parents. Covid does.

Why don't you take all of your Trumpvirus theories and visit your grandparents. I am sure they would love to see you.
They're all dead. I will go visit them, you lead the way and I'll be right behind you.
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Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:46 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:14 pm
No personal attacks please - edit the post. Once it gets interpersonal any value to the site is lost.

This evening's bike ride showed me a couple of HS graduation parties - with no social distancing, no masks, and in one case, cars lined up down the street, with maybe a hundred or more people there, crammed together under an outdoor tent. Upstate NY seems to be begging for a Hot Zone of our own...
I like personal attacks. You don't have to ask any one to play nice for my sake.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:17 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:14 pm
This evening's bike ride showed me a couple of HS graduation parties - with no social distancing, no masks, and in one case, cars lined up down the street, with maybe a hundred or more people there, crammed together under an outdoor tent. Upstate NY seems to be begging for a Hot Zone of our own...
My sister has scheduled a memorial and burial for my father next Sunday/Monday (he passed away in March and I convinced her to postpone it). He was 97 and well known and liked by many. In other times, I could imagine a several hundreds of people showing up. I can't convince her this is still not a good idea. She's planned a 4 hour wake "but only 30 people at a time can be in the funeral home".

Based upon this data, https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/ an event with 100 people in Nassau County has a 36% risk that a positive person will be in attendance.

My wife and I are, sadly, skipping the wake.
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:29 pm

My condolences. I'm starting to wonder if primates have some sort of hardwired instinct to congregate together during pandemics when there are too many of us. There is no rational explanation for what is going on...
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:53 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:40 am
Ah we can just ban trumpvirus. That will fix everything.
Relatively few people smoke cigarettes, that's why it kills 400,000 people per year.
What can I say I'm just overwhelmed with logic here.
Obviously the rate remains too high and there are a lot more of us now, but are you claiming that the percentage of Americans who smoke hasn't dropped drastically over the last 50 years?

BTW, I make no claims about other areas, I'm talking about California generally and the Bay Area specifically. As you are presumably aware, smoking rates vary widely by region and demographics. I expect there's a high correlation between areas with strong resistance to wearing masks and higher rates of smoking, but have no numbers. This map seems to indicate that's likely:
https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/cigaretteuseadult.html
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Re: COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:35 am

Hong Kong reports highest one-day rise in COVID-19 cases
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... d-19-cases
The city’s Chief Executive Carrie Lam told reporters that 108 cases were recorded in one day, with 83 of them being local and 25 of them being imported. The new COVID-19 cases bring the total for the semi-autonomous city to 1,886, BBC News reported.

"I think the situation is really critical and there is no sign the situation is being brought under control," Lam said.
...
Hong Kong was able to combat the coronavirus after it’s believed to have originated in China late last year. But in the past two weeks, the city has counted more than 500 new cases, according to Yahoo News.

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:12 am

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