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Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm
by GRA
PBS Newshour story: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/can-t ... sed-burger

Owing to cattle raising being the most energy intensive meat there is, about a decade ago I shifted most of my meat intake from beef to pork and especially poultry (the least energy intensive), except for special occasions. I still like beef, though, and would love to have a veggie burger that looked, smelled and tasted like hamburger. When I was in my teens back in the '70s my mom was a serious health food addict - if it was unappealing and/or inedible, she'd serve it to me :lol: I tried many of the veggie meat substitutes back then, and they were pretty bad. Certainly no one who liked to eat meat would consider switching, even ignoring the then-exorbitant cost. I did have some organic beef once, grass-fed etc., and it tasted different from supermarket hamburger - it was better!

This new stuff seems to be meeting the taste, smell and texture tests, but currently costs about twice as much as grass-fed beef, six times as much as corn-fed, so it's at about Tesla Model S circa 2012 as far as mass-pricing goes. And one of the two companies' process is GMO, so that's out for those who care. Still, if they can get the price down and also manage to produce steaks and whatnot, we might be able to radically reduce our food energy use, not to mention the amount of land used for fodder (which would probably be used for ethanol, so no net gain there). Has anyone tried any of this - Whole Foods apparently carries Beyond Meat burgers, the non-GMO one: http://beyondmeat.com/? The other company is Impossible Foods: https://www.impossiblefoods.com/

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:29 pm
by LeftieBiker
Pork and poultry, when produced in most large commercial operations, is far worse for the environment than beef. I'm not sure why you focus on just energy consumption...

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:18 am
by OrientExpress
I have several friends at Impossible Foods, and have eaten their product, and find it pretty good. As with most things economies of scale will make it cheaper over time, but meat replacement is something that will be necessary to feed the world.

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:29 am
by Becky50
I, too, saw the piece on PBS. Now that I know Whole Foods carries Beyond Meat, I will be giving the burgers a try. We rarely eat beef any more and my husband does miss it. I hope it tastes as good as the reporter on PBS made it sound. Thanks.

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:43 am
by OrientExpress
You can get an impossible burger at Gott's in Palo Alto.

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Here is a short video from an Impossible Foods media event that shows all of the component pieces of their product

http://www.gjlenterprise.com/impossibleburger.mov

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:59 am
by Nubo

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:48 pm
by LeftieBiker
I saw the piece after posting here. Aside from the usual NPR types who I find Creepy, it was pretty good. I've been eating meat substitutes since the Seventies. I've had Beyond Meat burgers but don't really remember them, so I guess they weren't memorable. I may try an Impossible Burger, although my current low FODMAP diet makes that problematic...

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:03 pm
by RonDawg
I've tried various "fake meat" products, and they all seem to have something in common: a rather chemical-ey aftertaste. Does anybody know if Beyond Meat has the same problem?

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:08 pm
by LeftieBiker
RonDawg wrote:I've tried various "fake meat" products, and they all seem to have something in common: a rather chemical-ey aftertaste. Does anybody know if Beyond Meat has the same problem?
I thought it was kind of "beany." Try Wildwood burgers. They are made with very firm tofu and ground veggies, and don't taste artificial. They are a bit oily as they are deep-fried, but the flavor is more "onion" than "artificial."They don't taste very much like meat, but they are good veggie burgers. Gardein burgers taste pretty close to meat, but they do have a moderate soy aftertaste that you may be think of as "artificial."

Re: Can these mock meat entrepreneurs fool you with a plant-based burger?

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:47 am
by RonDawg
LeftieBiker wrote:
RonDawg wrote:I've tried various "fake meat" products, and they all seem to have something in common: a rather chemical-ey aftertaste. Does anybody know if Beyond Meat has the same problem?
I thought it was kind of "beany." Try Wildwood burgers. They are made with very firm tofu and ground veggies, and don't taste artificial. They are a bit oily as they are deep-fried, but the flavor is more "onion" than "artificial."They don't taste very much like meat, but they are good veggie burgers. Gardein burgers taste pretty close to meat, but they do have a moderate soy aftertaste that you may be think of as "artificial."
Thanks. I've tried Garden Burgers and Morningside Farms products and a couple other brands from Costco that I don't remember the names of anymore. It's definitely not a soy aftertaste as I've had tofu which doesn't have the same aftertaste. I LOVE the taste of onions so the Wildwood may be what I am looking for.