smkettner
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:16 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:35 am
smkettner wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:28 pm
So what is the rate up to now?

My on-peak in CA is over 50 cents kWh.
NM and most of the country doesn't have to deal with this peak rate stupidity.
Now with solar I only pay the service charge for about 9 months out of the year.
I thought you said this green power was more expensive??
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Oilpan4
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:50 pm

It is more expensive.
My solar bill plus my power bill runs about $50 more than my power bill alone was.
Then this winter solar production will be in the toilet and I'll have a big power bill.
It will cost at least $500 more dollars per year best case scenario and $1,000 more worst case scenario with solar.
That's if the coop doesn't raise rates. It's been 5 years since the last rate increase so another one should be coming.
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smkettner
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:29 pm

Sounds insane. My solar paid for itself in 5 years. 20% return on my investment.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:24 am

smkettner wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:29 pm
Sounds insane.
I hope you realize he is trolling you by ass-uming that his entire PV purchase cost is amortized over a short time period.

Ignore him, and he will go troll somewhere else.
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smkettner
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:35 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:24 am
smkettner wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:29 pm
Sounds insane.
I hope you realize he is trolling you by ass-uming that his entire PV purchase cost is amortized over a short time period.

Ignore him, and he will go troll somewhere else.
Actually I assume he got talked into some PPA lease that is a bad deal like my neighbor did. My neighbor still pays and pays and I am scott free.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:04 pm

If solar panels pay for them selves in 5 years someone, somewhere is getting screwed brutally hard.
I went into this knowing that it would cost more to have solar.
I started with a bottom up approach, I asked different electrician companies who had done some solar installs who set them up. Quickly I accumulated a 2 lists, a definitely do not use list and a highly recommend list.
The top solar company for this area is green solar from California. They were one of the more expensive companies but the electricians said green solar used the best racking on the market and they have yet to get a call back for anything other than softball size hail.
Financing company is sunight financial, a 12 year loan for about 7% interest. Financing increases the overall sticker price by just about exactly 50%.
I could have gotten a 20 year loan.
I don't do leases. Leases are for people who failed math.
A 20 year loan on a depreciating asset also for people who failed math, that would make the payment cheaper than my power bill, with a slightly higher interest rate would just about double finance charges.
Financing charges would cost as much as the entire system.
The plan is pay it off in 4 to 6 years, because I really don't like renting money. Debt is the enemy. This is actually my first non realestate loan.
Pay it off in 6 years, financing charges only add about 25% to the sticker price.
If I did the 12 year loan there is a good chance the system would never pay for it's self unless rates when up a lot.

It's a little hard for solar to compete in a market that hasn't been turned upside down by good intentions.
You can look up my surcharge and kwh rate, it's public information. Not my fault solar can't compete with a $25 surcharge and 7.7 cents per kwh day or night.

If I had gone with a fly by night company they probably could have gotten me in right at or a little under my spring summer and fall power bill. But it would only be cheaper for as long as there isn't a problem.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:33 pm

I'm like hep A. You can ignore me and live in denial but I'll always be there.

I washed my panels with the gasoline powered pressure washer. Needed the raw power and 0 degree nozzle to reach the panels in the middle.
I'm surprised how dirty they had to get before I saw a 2% and then a 4% reduction in peak power. Down 4% they are real dirty, I never would have guessed panels that dirty were only losing 4%.
So I laugh condensingly at people who clean their panels every week and you can't tell the difference between before and after cleaning.
A waste of time and resources for sure.
I'll fire up the gasoline fuelled pressure washer when I notice they're kind of dirty.
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smkettner
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:23 pm

Mine have only been cleaned when it rains.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:05 pm

Moscow has bad air pollution. Putin doesn't care.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:40 pm

smkettner wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:23 pm
Mine have only been cleaned when it rains.
Last time it rained I was on the edge of the rain column, so I got all the Haboob and just enough rain to make the dirt to the panels good.
I looked at the panels and figured my peak power will be down at least 10%. Nope only 4%, rounding up.
I'm throughly impressed with how dirty they were and how little it effected power output.
Unexpected results for sure.
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