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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:13 am

Oilpan4 wrote: Wind and sun only work really well for about 8 hours a day.
As usual, you do not have a clue.
Stop posting BS. Look up production data for solar and wind in NM

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You ignore the subsidies given to nuclear and fossils, ignore the externalized costs of these choices, but take great offense at the wind production tax credit.

But you are not content to simply be ignorant, you post nonsense and FUD.
In short, you are FOS. Just another Trumper
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:50 am

WetEV wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote:Do these renewables work throughout the night?
Batteries work at night.

Oilpan4 wrote:If not then it kind of doesn't matter if they are cheaper.
Depends on the cost of storing power. If renewable power stored with batteries until needed is cheaper, why not?

I already posted that tesla can do it for $110,000 per mega watt hour.
Is that cheap enough?
Can enough battery material be obtained to make them?
I'm very sure the 5th poorest state in the union can't afford it.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:08 am

SageBrush wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote: Wind and sun only work really well for about 8 hours a day.
As usual, you do not have a clue.
Stop posting BS. Look up production data for solar and wind in NM

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You ignore the subsidies given to nuclear and fossils, ignore the externalized costs of these choices, but take great offense at the wind production tax credit.

But you are not content to simply be ignorant, you post nonsense and FUD.
In short, you are FOS. Just another Trumper
Here is the solar and wind power profile for California.
NM has a little better wind utilization, but not drastically different. Our wind can last until 6 or 7pm most evenings.
Does this not clearly show wind and solar power coming on line about 8 or 9 am then dropping off around 5pm?
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I already put out solar panels tracked their output and have had access to wind farm data trends in the past.
I went to wind power school for 2 years, been to multiple wind farms, climbed wind turbines, I'm well aware of wind power capabilities compared to someone who reads articles about them.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:15 am

Here is a better one.
The wind power curve in CA is almost a mirror image of what NM experiences.
Otherwise thats about what it looks like.
Unlike solar, wind is less predictable, a lot of days it surges just like that CA graph.
Looks like some of that solar is on trackers or is slightly east or west facing.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:32 am

Oilpan4 wrote: NM has a little better wind utilization, but not drastically different.
More BS.

Look up the data, and try to remember the question: how well does wind complement PV in NM.
Take seasons and load profile into account; take future demand management into account.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:40 am

Nope, you just call everything you don't agree with bs even after you are proven completely wrong. You really should be working in politics.

I already said in NM the wind profile blows well into the evening most days and is kind a mirror image of that California wind load profile. Wind and solar will work together well in NM until about 9pm when both go 0.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:59 am

Oilpan4 wrote: The wind power curve in CA is almost a mirror image of what NM experiences.
Show a reference.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:00 am

Oilpan4 wrote:Wind and solar will work together well in NM until about 9pm when both go 0.
More BS
This is not a question of what I like, it is a question of facts and data.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:11 am

Another inconvenient fact.
I saw in the news paper this morning that NM is ranked 50th out of all 50 states for food security by the USDA.
I'm going to say I think our state government is focusing on the wrong stuff.
1 in 4 households can't afford to keep up with their electricity bill, USDA warns poorer residents of NM regularly struggle to buy enough food.
But the Democrats think it's a good idea to spend a large amount of money to make electricity more expensive, instead of make sure people stay fed and keep their lights on.
A lot of them won't last past next election.

If someone can't afford to feed their kids or keep up with the electricity bill who really think these people really are wanting to spend more to get electricity from solar panels?
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:44 am

^ Clean up your first pile of BS
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