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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:17 pm
by Oilpan4
Now thats probably the words biggest plug in hybrid, only has to go about 4km, uses 10.5kv charging, think they said 150kw charging with 3 phase power at its locations.
No reason to run the diesel engine really, except maybe as emergency backup.
Pays for its self in 8 years, should last at least 15 years.

https://youtu.be/rE_M1n-ClOA

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 3:56 pm
by SageBrush
^^ ~ 6 MW peak charging (10 kV, 600 Amps); 14 minutes charging each r/t.
About 550 kWh each way.

The engineer mentioned Li-X batteries cycled between 40 and 65% SoC to have 5 years of use. Charging and discharging at 1.5 C all day long is tough on the battery. I'm surprised they hold up that well.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:05 pm
by Oilpan4

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:37 am
by Oilpan4
Another glimpse into new mexicos future.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -gas-power

Wind power was riding on the back of fossil fuel power like usual. Then there was a drop in wind output, which always happens so the natural gas power plant went to boost it's output which always happens, but this time the natural gas fired power plant had to shut down. Pumped hydro tried to keep the grid going but London and SE England still lost power.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:05 pm
by smkettner
^^^^^

This is where battery storage has a huge advantage on reaction time to keep the grid stable.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:24 pm
by GRA
Of course, grids primarily reliant on fossil-fuels with no renewables other than hydro never suffer such problems, because multiple or cascading failures never occur :roll: : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast ... ut_of_2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast ... ut_of_1965

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:43 pm
by SageBrush
Oilpan4 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:37 am
Then there was a drop in wind output, which always happens
.
As usual you have the facts wrong.
The drop in wind farm generation was due to a transmission problem. This could just as easily have happened if a fossil plant was on the generating side.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:04 pm
by Oilpan4
A battery could be used at a substantial increase in cost. Wind plus battery isn't going to be nearly as cheap as wind riding on the back of fossil fuels.

Going to need some fancy software to deal with the unpredictable nature of renewables.
A wind farm has the ability to go from 0 to full power way faster than a steam driven plant.
But their ramp up can be controlled, the rate down not so much.

I said the wind power output dropped, not that the wind stopped. I conveniently didn't give the reason why the output dropped.

Can't say that wind power is just as likely to have tranamission problems since the main concentrations of consumers don't want wind farms any where near them. So they get forced out into the middle of no where.

Let's take this over the water wind farm in england for example. It uses under sea cables to transmit electricity. Normal power plants aren't built over the water and don't have to deal with undersea cables.
So to say they are the same as far as transmission goes is a lie.
If anything renewables out in the middle of no where or over the water are more likely to have a transmission problem.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:12 pm
by SageBrush
Oilpan4 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:04 pm
I said the wind power output dropped, not that the wind stopped. I conveniently didn't give the reason why the output dropped.
.

You said
Then there was a drop in wind output, which always happens
You are so FOS

Convenient for what ?
FUD ?
BS ?

Here is another inconvenient fact for you: the blackout occurred due to a concurrent problem at the NG plant that was supposed to be a backup. So much for your presumption that fossils are more reliable.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:13 am
by Oilpan4
I know what I said.
I just got you to assume things and now you are throwing a hissy fit because you went for it like you always do.

If there was no natural gas plant the power would likely go out every day.