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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:26 am

California had something like 6,000Mw of installed wind capacity.
Texas has over 22,000Mw.
I have heard there's been a lot of nimby interference in california wind projects for about the last 10 years.
In texas, new mexico and Oklahoma when some one wants to build a new wind farm all you hear is "approved!".
Even with out this ridiculous mandate NM would probably surpass California in wind production with in 15 years.


New mexico did with it with tens of millions of dollars upgrading existing AC lines to get the wind power west ward. The other guys wanted hundreds of millions of dollars.
I have no intrest in paying for a direct DC line from NM to anywhere. If they want it, they can pay for it. Otherwise just push the electricity over existing/upgraded and expanded AC lines.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:30 am

WetEV wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote:That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.
Source please.
Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:37 am

Affordable? So what has been the rate increase so far? 20% 50%?

The only pain I see is for those that dig and transport coal.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:06 am

smkettner wrote:Affordable? So what has been the rate increase so far? 20% 50%?
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Ignore oil-y's nonsense. PNM makes it very clear on its bill that the sourced clean energy is 20% cheaper than the mix of fossils. And that is true even before we account for the benefits of reduced pollution.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:23 am

WetEV wrote:
WetEV wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote:That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.
Source please.
Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How are they producing power at sun up when they aren't moving?
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:20 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
WetEV wrote:
WetEV wrote:
Source please.
Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How are they producing power at sun up when they aren't moving?
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.
Notice that your observation doesn't even support what you claimed above. Sunrise isn't the same thing as night.

3 days looking out the window once a day at one location in the USA isn't data. Three days of wind power generation from California:

04/14/2019 to 04/16/2019

http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.aspx

Scroll down to the renewables graph. Select only wind. Change the date to the above three dates.

04/17/2019

Shows the wind falling off after sunrise, then a brief peak in evening, then quiet.

80% power is feasible, but probably will take until 2040 to get there with reasonable costs. 100% isn't feasible at a reasonable cost yet.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:38 am

Oilpan4 wrote: My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How long do they not turn for ?
What does that say about all the other wind farms in the state and Texas ?

I'll answer the second question for you: nothing
That is why system wide data is used.
That is why Texas wide data is reported.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:38 am

This young girl understands the key points of AGW:

https://youtu.be/14w8WC1I3S4
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:00 am

SageBrush wrote:
smkettner wrote:Affordable? So what has been the rate increase so far? 20% 50%?
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Ignore oil-y's nonsense. PNM makes it very clear on its bill that the sourced clean energy is 20% cheaper than the mix of fossils. And that is true even before we account for the benefits of reduced pollution.
Yes. As they say the proof is in the pudding.
Until there is a rate increase proposed there is really nothing to talk about.
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Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:26 am

Oilpan4 wrote: My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How long do they not turn for ?
What does that say about all the other wind farms in the state and Texas ?

I'll answer the second question for you: nothing
That is why system wide data is used.
That is why Texas wide data is reported.

Your opinions are based on very, very limited anecdotal observation. No wonder they are rubbish.
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