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Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:13 pm
by Oilpan4
The governor signed it into law.
It mandates 80% renewable power by 2030. And 100% by 2040.
But as far as I know there is no actual plan to achieve this. Just boundless optimism and other people's money.
It doesn't effect me that much but supposedly as many as 1 in 4 house holds in NM was behind on their power bill at some point in 2018 and 1 in 7 got a disconnect notice.
NM has the 5th lowest per capita income in the United States.

My highest power bill was a little over a year ago, nearly $300. Because of the cold winter and heat pump heating.
Last year I bought a wood stove and coal furnace. Even after adding the leaf my bills were all around or under $100 this winter.
The coal furnace and wood stove pretty much paid for them selves so far.
This year I'm buying tons of solar panels and doing grid tie solar and buying more coal. A lot more coal.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:43 pm
by SageBrush
Oilpan4 wrote: But as far as I know there is no actual plan to achieve this. Just boundless optimism and other people's money.
Wrong.
I'll give you a hint where to look: PNM charges less for renewable energy than dirty sources.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:55 pm
by Oilpan4
Do these renewables work throughout the night?
If not then it kind of doesn't matter if they are cheaper.

When I had excel in texas I had the option to "buy wind power" for an additional 1 cent per kwh. How is that cheaper?

Here is the problem.
Wind and sun only work really well for about 8 hours a day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_profile
That's great, except when you need power at night. 10 or 11 months a year all your peak power demands are during the day while wind and solar are hard at work.

Another tiny possibly inconvenient question or questions.
Was this existing clean energy owned by PNM heavily subsidized by the US government?
If so how much did it really cost?
If NM wants to charge ahead and go 80% renewable in 11 years what obligation does the Fed have to pay for it?
NM is about the 5th poorest state in the union, so we can't afford it.
If those entitled elitists in Santa fe want solar panels why don't they just do what I'm doing and spend their own money on them?

Maybe unaffordable electricity will drive some of the illegals out.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:47 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:Do these renewables work throughout the night?
Batteries work at night.

Oilpan4 wrote:If not then it kind of doesn't matter if they are cheaper.
Depends on the cost of storing power. If renewable power stored with batteries until needed is cheaper, why not?

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:53 pm
by LeftieBiker
I think I've said this before: the US, and the Western US especially, is going to have to deal with increasing flooding AND increasing drought, and the only way to do this is to store and transport water over longer distances and at larger volumes than usually done. That would in turn off a solution to the variability of renewables: pumped storage. It's already in use, and is the main way in which utilities store power. Integrate it into a larger system that moves excessive rainfall to dry regions, or stores it nearby in large reservoirs for the dry season, and you have another problem solved, without much extra investment, relatively speaking.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:21 pm
by Randy
As a utility engineer with over 3 decades experience, I do agree with OP that all the hardware, technology, and maintenance for the complex grid equipment that will be required to achieve 100% renewables (including a boatload of storage batteries that will need to be replaced every several years) will make it a more expensive proposition than what we have now...

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:57 pm
by Coinneach
As opposed to the environmental cost of continuing to pump poisonous rock vapors into the air? :roll:

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:06 pm
by LeftieBiker
Coinneach wrote:As opposed to the environmental cost of continuing to pump poisonous rock vapors into the air? :roll:
Most societies have been trained to both ignore environmental costs, and to pass them directly on to consumers, as adverse health affects and a deteriorated ecosystem. We lead the way in that regard.

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:48 am
by WetEV
Randy wrote:As a utility engineer with over 3 decades experience, I do agree with OP that all the hardware, technology, and maintenance for the complex grid equipment that will be required to achieve 100% renewables (including a boatload of storage batteries that will need to be replaced every several years) will make it a more expensive proposition than what we have now...
80% renewable might be reasonable. 100% probably isn't reasonable. 80% needs a few hours of battery or other storage. 100% needs weeks of storage, or large amounts of hydro, or nuclear.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15162

Re: Well new mexico governor decided to make electricity unaffordable

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:07 am
by HerdingElectrons
Randy wrote:As a utility engineer with over 3 decades experience, I do agree with OP that all the hardware, technology, and maintenance for the complex grid equipment that will be required to achieve 100% renewables (including a boatload of storage batteries that will need to be replaced every several years) will make it a more expensive proposition than what we have now...
Please provide evidence for your statement that utility scale batteries need to be replaced every few years