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Re: Ice911

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:33 pm
by Oilpan4
What propaganda campaign is that?

I think people like aoc, al gore and other man made global warming surrogates do far more damage than any anti global warming campaign could do.

Turns out banning cars, ending air travel and banning all fossil fuel use are not popular among voters.

If the people pushing the new green deal even know what a fossil fuel is.
https://youtu.be/pBOA070FHYw

Re: Ice911

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:What propaganda campaign is that?
The one run by the coal and oil companies.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:05 pm
by Oilpan4
It must be working.
They convinced queen Nancy that natural gas isn't a fossil fuel.
But I'm really not sure how they pulled that off.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:It must be working.
They convinced queen Nancy that natural gas isn't a fossil fuel.
But I'm really not sure how they pulled that off.
Meanwhile the ice keeps melting....

Re: Ice911

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:57 pm
by Oilpan4
Another 1,000 years or so we will be in another ice age.
So why the hurry to get back into another ice age?
Since the vast majority of the earth's history it has been a ball of ice.
120,000 or so thousand years ago the earth was a lot warmer and the world didn't end.
So why are we freaking out over it warming up a few degrees?

Re: Ice911

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:11 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:Another 1,000 years or so we will be in another ice age.
Says who?
Oilpan4 wrote:Since the vast majority of the earth's history it has been a ball of ice.
Says who?
Oilpan4 wrote:120,000 or so thousand years ago the earth was a lot warmer and the world didn't end.
Ah, something true. We have about a degree to go.
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Oilpan4 wrote:So why are we freaking out over it warming up a few degrees?
Why do you think it will stop after a few degrees?

Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.

Permian–Triassic extinction event

The world didn't end during the Permian-Triassic as well. Just 99.9+% of all species.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:48 am
by Oilpan4
The last half million or so years looks like 10,000 to 20,000 years of lovely warm interglacial and 50,000 to 100,000 years of glacial nearly everyone freezes to death cold.
I would call that mostly icey.

Do you have any actual science showing an experiment and a control proving the world is going to keep getting warmer?
Otherwise it's just an untestable hypothesis and we find out when we get there.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:31 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:The last half million or so years looks like 10,000 to 20,000 years of lovely warm interglacial and 50,000 to 100,000 years of glacial nearly everyone freezes to death cold.
I would call that mostly icey.
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I'd call that mostly warmer than today.
Oilpan4 wrote:Do you have any actual science showing an experiment and a control proving the world is going to keep getting warmer?
Otherwise it's just an untestable hypothesis and we find out when we get there.
You are partly correct. We will not know exactly what happens until we get there.

Want to take a swig of some of this fluid out of an unlabeled bottle? Oh, it might be poison? That is just an untestable hypothesis and we find out when we get there.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:48 am
by Oilpan4
It looks like the world has been warmer for the last million years or so until you realize that's a logarithmic scale.
Still clearly shows long periods of ice ages with brief warmups.
That one better demonstrates my point than the one I was going to post. Thank you.

Unless some one invents viable commercial fusion power that any country can build and make all fossil fuel power generation obsolete really soon china and probably india will take us to whatever the magic planet killing CO2 ppm number is.

So the obstacles are:
Majority of voters are unwilling to pay for it, fake news scares people more than global warming and it would appear that people are more afraid of nuclear power than warming.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:11 pm
by WetEV
Oilpan4 wrote:It looks like the world has been warmer for the last million years or so until you realize that's a logarithmic scale.
Still clearly shows long periods of ice ages with brief warmups.
We looking at the same graph? From 250 million years ago to 3 million years ago the climate was warmer.

Oilpan4 wrote:Unless some one invents viable commercial fusion power that any country can build and make all fossil fuel power generation obsolete really soon china and probably india will take us to whatever the magic planet killing CO2 ppm number is.
And the USA has no part in this? Really??

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The planet is safe. We are not.
Oilpan4 wrote:So the obstacles are:
Majority of voters are unwilling to pay for it, fake news scares people more than global warming and it would appear that people are more afraid of nuclear power than warming.
Missed a few. Federal flood insurance makes sea coast dwellers feel safe. We are paying for climate change already, $25 billion or so. Should we be subsidizing flood insurance? Sea level is already rising at a foot per century, will likely increase to 6 feet per century or more by 2100. And building up beaches. Costs money to keep dumping sand. Taxpayers fund all of this... And it isn't going to get cheaper.

Fires, drought and floods.. We pay a cost there already. Expect this bill to rise.

Voters are unwilling to pay? Looks like they are already paying, and will pay far more in the future, especially if we don't get greenhouse gas emissions under control.