Oilpan4
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You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:44 pm

As I read a lot of mining news and mining industry stuff this is no surprise to me.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... iesel-cars

I bought an electric car to save money and it excels at that.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:47 pm

Garbage article
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:19 pm

I know everything you don't agree with is automatically garbage.
Nothing new there.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:23 pm

Right Babyface Braunschweiger.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:02 pm

Briefly, to rebut the crap arguments: the "researchers" assume a 10 year life for a Tesla pack with no second use, and they focus on CO2 while ignoring the particulates and NOx emissions that have been killing Europeans for a decade or more. Supermarket tabloid stuff.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:28 pm

The average age of a vehicle on the road is around 11 years last I checked.
Is there a compelling reason why we should believe the average EV is going to last longer than 11 years?

Right now the second use for a battery pack is put it in another car if the original car gets crashed or put it on ebay.
Otherwise it's pure speculation.
Wasn't there some company that was going to buy up weak EV packs and use them for grid storage and how's that going?
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:30 pm

Russian troll source zerohedge run by Daniel Ivandjiiski.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski

Get a real source, Boris.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Oh yeah like mining battery material doesn't generate PM or any other wastes.

If you really wanted to save the word you should be riding a bicycle. Only a bicycle or walking.

So anyone got any numbers related to battery production or do you just not like the source and subject?
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:49 pm

Sir Thomas Lippen-Boris would be a good source. Not.
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:00 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:The average age of a vehicle on the road is around 11 years last I checked.
Is there a compelling reason why we should believe the average EV is going to last longer than 11 years?
Your crap article states 94k miles for a Tesla battery until end of life. Go ahead -- justify that with references.

As for the mining argument, it is complicated to figure out source emissions but I wonder: have you ever heard of battery recycling ? Did you notice that the diesel emissions did not include the mining to source the diesel ICE ?
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