SageBrush
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:32 pm

Oilpan4 wrote: I have said numerous times it's obvious that man effects the environment to include the climate.
I have read your pussy-footing denialism. Save it for trumpers.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Oilpan4
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:41 pm

It depends on the scope of the PV system.
If I go grid tie sure it will create less pollution.
If I go off grid, that means running a diesel or gasoline generator at least occasionally, using the wood stove and coal furmace more, I will have tons of lead acid batteries to recycle at some point, my excess PV doesn't get shared compared to grid tie.
I have had to do thousands of dollars worth of structural and electrical upgrades to get the house ready for solar.
I'm not just spending other people's money and having other people do it for me.
SageBrush wrote:
Oilpan4 wrote: I have said numerous times it's obvious that man effects the environment to include the climate.
I have read your pussy-footing denialism. Save it for trumpers.
The only person on this form I see regularly saying anything about AGW denial on a regular basis is you. You're probably a closet denier.
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SageBrush
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:It depends on the scope of the PV system.
The Tesla GF will not have *any* fossil use on site and will be grid tied. They will produce clean energy equal to the amount of electricity consumed.

On your terms it will be pollution and carbon free battery production and recycling.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

SageBrush
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:00 pm

Oilpan4 wrote: The only person on this form I see regularly saying anything about AGW denial on a regular basis is you.
I go by your posts, but I'll repost my past summary of your posts here since you have not learned anything in the meantime:

"You have said before that you are willing to pollute the planet and drive it into AGW disaster to get the "cheapest" electricity but you support nuclear at 10x of cost of renewables. You are incoherent, even within your own insane world-view."

You are AGW denialism with trumpism on top. But go ahead, find the courage to state here your considered opinion what the climate sensitivity is to a doubling of atmospheric CO2e from 280 to 560 ppm. Don't pussyfoot around and BS, just state a climate sensitivity number.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

powersurge
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:34 pm

I did not buy my EV "to save the planet". That is a naïve teenager ideal..

I bought mine to NOT use or be dependent on foreign oil, and to not contribute to depleting our limited oil resources...

No one today even mentions that oil is an asset that is getting harder and harder to get out of the ground. When that disappears, THEN we will be crying for mama...

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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:47 pm

Not sure anyone here is interested in red herring bait and does not appear to have suggested he/she bought an electric vehicle to alone "save the planet". But would venture to say many consider it one of numerous important steps to take in this regard.

Indeed there are many other reasons to acquire such a vehicle as well.
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SageBrush
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Re: You should have bought a diesel car if you wanted to save the world

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:17 pm

powersurge wrote:I did not buy my EV "to save the planet". That is a naïve teenager ideal..
One EV is about as useful as one vote.

I bought mine to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. At a minimum I want my life to have not made things worse for the generations to come.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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