iPlug wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:34 pm
I was comparing full size inductive stand alone ranges to full size gas ranges....You lose.
Pretty sad you can't even win when you try to cheat.
You can try to change what I said but that won't work as it is all documented here. Doesn't matter how you were trying to lie, you are still completely wrong. You continue to use playground logic, but that doesn't hold water here.
danrjones wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:23 pm
And then the question, what's it cost to run? Solar systems aren't free, and if you didn't have one, my electricity is TOU.
TOU for evening for me is upwards of 40 cents per KWhr on SCE! That just can't compete with gas.
A bit more on this - as this thread is about new construction only, consider that in 2020 new homes in CA have to be built with solar PV. Take the $6k saved in not having to do natural gas plumbing then parlay that into the upfront solar PV costs, go time of use, and it could cost nothing more upfront and save the home owner lots down the road (aside from the most important and primary winner, the environment).
Yes, sorry we got off on a tangent in regards to new vs retrofit. But my worry is that someone sees this type of program, and runs with it as a "great idea" and decides we all need to do it! I've seen too many examples of one-size-fits-all thinking by uber liberals or uber conservatives. I've actually lived in both city and now rural areas, and the problem is, what works well for one area tends to NOT work well for another.
A recent perhaps ongoing example is CA mandating or attempting to mandate residential water usage, gallons per day per person. Someone in LA assumes that because they can get by with 50 gallons per day (just an example), then that means that everyone can do it. But they have no idea, for example, that we use swamp coolers out here in a rural area, and that essentially would mean we would have no AC. Not without spending 10k each to convert from swamp and install ducting and AC systems. Plus the 40+ cents per KWHr to run them. Or expensive solar.
$6k here where i live will buy you a 2KW Dc system. Not nearly enough. Coworkers of mine that are all electric tend to have 8-12KW DC systems. Yes, that would be nice to have, but its not free. Its 30k added onto the house cost, at current prices. So it would cost you A LOT more upfront. Not sure where you live, but again, don't assume what works for you works for everyone else. If its a choice between $30k extra upfront, or 40 cents per KWhr to the electric company, or $10 in gas per month, most consumers will probably pick the later. Cost matters. No matter what kind of liberal or conservative Utopia people might dream of, cost matters. Its a bit like the ultimate form of humility. Sadly people mandate anyway, then the 80% can't afford it, and they suffer. Then they vote for some idiot as president as push-back.