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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:48 pm

Don't worry about the planet. The earth will be around until it gets hit by an asteroid/meteorite or the sun expands to vaporize it. Human civilization as we know it is what is in peril, not the planet itself. Even full scale nuclear winter will probably have less impact on 'life on earth' than the last meteorite strike that wiped out the dinosaurs (who were in existence for 100's of millions of years).

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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:49 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:48 pm
Don't worry about the planet. The earth will be around until it gets hit by an asteroid/meteorite or the sun expands to vaporize it. Human civilization as we know it is what is in peril, not the planet itself. Even full scale nuclear winter will probably have less impact on 'life on earth' than the last meteorite strike that wiped out the dinosaurs (who were in existence for 100's of millions of years).
Oh Boy! Now we are talking about Nuclear winter and dead dinos...

Look, how about we agree that Humans will survive for thousands of more years.. Maybe sea level will be different, just like the evidence that we have found that ruins of entire civilizations are at the bottom of the ocean right now.

Maybe New Orleans will be under water in the future, but we will do just fine..

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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:04 pm

Make that "some humans" will survive. It will not be "most humans." We need fewer people on the planet, but not starvation and flooding to thin the herd, because the planetary ecosphere will be worse off then even with far fewer of us.
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:58 pm

WetEV wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:45 am
DanCar wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:11 pm
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Amusing. Misleading. True for arid places. When moist rainforests (past carbon loss dominated by decay) burn, that is not due to past fire suppression. Because there never were any past fires to suppress.
Amusing, misleading, where do you get your information?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
Wikipedia wrote: Bushfires in Australia are a widespread and regular occurrence that have contributed significantly to moulding the nature of the continent over millions of years.
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:29 pm

DanCar wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:58 pm
WetEV wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:45 am
DanCar wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:11 pm
youtube
Amusing. Misleading. True for arid places. When moist rainforests (past carbon loss dominated by decay) burn, that is not due to past fire suppression. Because there never were any past fires to suppress.
Amusing, misleading, where do you get your information?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
Wikipedia wrote: Bushfires in Australia are a widespread and regular occurrence that have contributed significantly to moulding the nature of the continent over millions of years.
Much of Australia is arid. Not all of Australia is arid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq_FeX3Oxwo


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while post-industrial global warming is predicted to continue increasing the frequency of blazes
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:15 am

goldbrick wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:48 pm
Don't worry about the planet. The earth will be around until it gets hit by an asteroid/meteorite or the sun expands to vaporize it. Human civilization as we know it is what is in peril, not the planet itself. Even full scale nuclear winter will probably have less impact on 'life on earth' than the last meteorite strike that wiped out the dinosaurs (who were in existence for 100's of millions of years).
Goldbrick, it is no use to discuss this issue because too many of us have been brainwashed to believe the media's thirst for flashy, apocalyptic stories that are sensational.

Yes, we need to stop using petroleum, but not for environmental reasons.
We need to stop using plastics which poison the earth's oceans
We need to stop cutting down forests for wood and land development (without replacing the downed plant life).
We need to stop buying our food, produce, and bottled water from distant places, which destroys the local environments.

However, these nice, idealistic ideas will only remain empty IDEAS and complaints because - you, and me, and even our country will not change the behavior of all of the other ignorant third world countries that don't care a rat's butt about this.

All they want is to get a piece of the pie of the American lifestyle.

Why do you think that Global immigration has become such a massive problem... Because western civilization is a very fertile place to be, So all the world's impoverished and uneducated peasants want to come over to get free stuff, and like the past poster said, will skyrocket and increase world population. That is biggest environmental problem that we will be dealing with for the next 30 years.

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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:19 am

Why do you think that Global immigration has become such a massive problem...

In large part because of floods, droughts, fires, and food insecurity resulting from same. It will only worsen. People who deny AGW while decrying increasing global migrations are a bit like people who complain about the neighbors' cats, while strewing dead fish around their yards.
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:39 am

People have been migrating because of climate change for thousands of years.
Don't pretend like this is something that started with in the last 100 years.
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:18 am

powersurge wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:15 am
...However, these nice, idealistic ideas will only remain empty IDEAS and complaints because - you, and me, and even our country will not change the behavior of all of the other ignorant third world countries that don't care a rat's butt about this. ...
It is exactly true that poor countries and populations desperate for energy and resources will exploit whatever is available to survive.

And it's obvious that it is up to the more prosperous countries to develop and facilitate the changeover to sustainable technologies.

This is the only way that sustainable energy will become economically preferable. We can push for that, so that poorer countries can avail themselves of those advances in time to avert ecologic disaster. Or, we can blame poor countries for being poor and admire our own greatness without laying the groundwork for future greatness. Poor people do what they must. Prosperous people have choices.
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Re: Greta Thunberg speech at U.N.

Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:59 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:39 am
People have been migrating because of climate change for thousands of years.
Don't pretend like this is something that started with in the last 100 years.
Scale matters.

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