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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:08 pm

I would be more worried if the glaciers were getting larger.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:32 pm

WetEV wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 pm
GRA wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:09 pm
WetEV wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:23 am

Then we can wait for the 2026 report, and so on. Until the PIG cuts loose, eh? Or do you know about the PIG?
I plead ignorance of this acronym, and google just brings up references to (lower case) pigs. Care to enlighten us?
The PIG's neighbor might act up first.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/clim ... avity.html
Okay. I was aware of concerns about them both, but don't recall ever seeing the acronym before. Thwaites has always been the one that stuck in my mind, both because it was the more interesting name, and also as it was considered the more likely to go first. I recently read this:
The Ice at the End of the World: An Epic Journey into Greenland's Buried Past and Our Perilous Future
https://www.amazon.com/Ice-End-World-Gr ... 0812996623


Although it's mainly concerned with the history of early exploration of the Greenland Ice sheet (Nansen, Peary, etc.) and later scientific research (from Alfred Wegener, the guy who also gave us the theory of continental drift: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wegener, up to the present day) it also describes some of the concurrent ice sheet research going on in Antarctica, including the two aforementioned glaciers. A fair number of the scientists have done work in both places.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm

Meh, new climate models show almost no warming with 4 times as much CO2 as we have now.
Yay science.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:42 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm
Meh, new climate models show almost no warming with 4 times as much CO2 as we have now.
LOL
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 pm
Meh, new climate models show almost no warming with 4 times as much CO2 as we have now.
Yay science.
No warming must explain why the last 10 years have broken 9 records for hottest year ever recorded... :lol:
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:07 am

Oh so now we shouldn't believe in computer models all of a sudden?

The new climate data set throws out all of those temperature stations that have had towns turn into cities around them. Or that were in cities at all.

Plus 10 years of warmer weather isn't considered climate by any rational person. If you ever read any ipcc report you would know they like to lump weather into 30 year blocks before they put several of those 30 year blocks together then call it climate.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:36 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:07 am
Oh so now we shouldn't believe in computer models all of a sudden?

The new climate data set throws out all of those temperature stations that have had towns turn into cities around them. Or that were in cities at all.

Plus 10 years of warmer weather isn't considered climate by any rational person. If you ever read any ipcc report you would know they like to lump weather into 30 year blocks before they put several of those 30 year blocks together then call it climate.
I don't "believe" in computer models. Never have, never will. Computer models are wrong, in details, every one of them. Some of them are useful for understanding. If you want to convince then you best start with understanding. You need a "computer" model you can understand and compute. Want to develop one?

Here are some pictures for you to look at. Not urban locations.

https://weather.com/photos/news/glacier ... e-change#1

You see, ice doesn't care about your political opinions.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:19 am

And just like that, no one wants to talk about computer models any more. Wow.

I would be more worried if the glaciers were getting bigger.
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:30 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:19 am
And just like that, no one wants to talk about computer models any more. Wow.

I would be more worried if the glaciers were getting bigger.
I wanted to talk about computer models. A model simple enough so you can compute it yourself. Do you want to discuss computer models?
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Re: McKinsey: Climate risk and response: Physical hazards and socioeconomic impacts

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:53 am

I don't care for computer models much either. They can be made to show literally anything.
With out the source data or access to the programing there's reason to base major life decisions or changes on it.
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