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CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:48 pm

This could also go under politics or a few other threads.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEG ... id=US%3Aen
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:10 pm

You beat me to the post. I was going to put it here:
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https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 8&start=40

Do you want to move your post, or should I just link one of the numerous other articles on it there?

Of course this will wind up in the courts, so who knows whether it will go into effect.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:35 pm

Whichever is fine.

It could go under a number of topics - politics, environment, choose five... throw a dart. Might be big enough news for its own topic, or maybe not.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:44 pm

Not clear to me whether this is aspirational or actual law? Governor is directing CARB to "establish regulations"... But certainly he doesn't have the authority to enact such regulations into law by executive order alone?
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:48 pm

^^^ IANAL but I imagine it largely depends on what happens with CA's lawsuit against the current administration and/or the election outcome re our ability to set our own emission regs. CARB currently has a lot of power, but that is being challenged by this admin. It will almost certainly end up in court.


Dan, I posted a link to GCC's article over in the other topic.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pm

Well maybe if Trump somehow wins the election he will kick California out of the United States. Might be doing us a favor

Then we could set our own EPA regulations
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:36 pm

Maybe California will have their stuff together by then. Ha, bahahaha. Hahahahahahahahsh.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:54 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:36 pm
Maybe California will have their stuff together by then. Ha, bahahaha. Hahahahahahahahsh.
Well no state can possibly change that fast, it IS government after all.


But being serious, despite some real issues such as pension issues, CA is still probably the most likely state that could actually stand apart on its own.


As to this specific issue, I'd like to say CA is leading the way. But it is not, because Europe is actually leading the way, and CA is following. So this time even CA wasn't first.

Maybe the "legal" alternative would be a death tax to ice vehicles in CA. Sure, you can buy an iCE but we are going to charge you a huge extra tax and a yearly DMV fee. That might be the legal route.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:00 am

danrjones wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:54 am
Maybe the "legal" alternative would be a death tax to ice vehicles in CA. Sure, you can buy an iCE but we are going to charge you a huge extra tax and a yearly DMV fee. That might be the legal route.
ICE will live long past 2035. Not in cities, mostly. A reasonable alternative might be a $200/gallon tax on fossil gasoline... biofuels not taxed.
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Re: CA to ban NEW ICE Vehicles by 2035 - maybe?

Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:18 am

The activists elected last cycle are trying and failing at turning new mexico into California in 1 election cycle.
They're trying to explode the cost of electricity but PNM is a monument to government bureaucracy.
The activists were like "we made a law" the PRC was like "you have no power here".
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