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Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:02 pm

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ILETRIC wrote:Jeez! They need to put these things on people's homes' roofs, not line the beautiful desert with it!

Sorry folks, I'm sooo against it...
I agree that is the ideal state but I guess I'm a glass in half-full person. I'll take a solar plant over another natural gas or coal plant any day.
(BTW, my Leaf is actually powered from my own 11.8kW array - I just thought this would make a nice shot)

I love those shots. How did you get up there to take them?

I don't mind desert solar, I think they look cool and futuristic, but it's all subjective. We also have lots of desert.
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Re: LEAF posing

Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:49 pm

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TickTock wrote:
ILETRIC wrote:Jeez! They need to put these things on people's homes' roofs, not line the beautiful desert with it!

Sorry folks, I'm sooo against it...
I agree that is the ideal state but I guess I'm a glass in half-full person. I'll take a solar plant over another natural gas or coal plant any day.
(BTW, my Leaf is actually powered from my own 11.8kW array - I just thought this would make a nice shot)

I love those shots. How did you get up there to take them?

I don't mind desert solar, I think they look cool and futuristic, but it's all subjective. We also have lots of desert.
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Re: LEAF posing

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:23 pm

ILETRIC wrote:Jeez! They need to put these things on people's homes' roofs, not line the beautiful desert with it!

Sorry folks, I'm sooo against it...
What; on aesthetic grounds? The panels are a huge improvement, IMO.

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Re: LEAF posing

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:57 pm

I think it looks great too. They should cover half the deserts in America!
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Re: LEAF posing

Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:08 am

Lasareath wrote:I think it looks great too. They should cover half the deserts in America!
Wearing my botanist hat, I will point out that many of the deserts in the southwest aren't "deserted" or barren. The plants and animals in the desert around Phoenix and Tucson are particularly beautiful in many places, with tremendous biodiversity. Converting them to urban sprawl has been a controversial issue. Scraping and covering them with solar power stations is also controversial.

That said, I will point out that there are large tracts in the desert that are already disturbed, sometimes profoundly. Converting those places to solar power stations can make a lot of sense. There are many such tracts in the Mojave Desert in California and Nevada. In the Sonoran Desert in Arizona there are places that have been farmed for many years, using limited ground water or water from the Colorado River that is becoming scarce. Converting those areas to solar power stations would have no impact on desert plants and animals because they have already been destroyed as a functioning desert ecosystem.

So, it depends on where in the desert that you put those large scale solar generating stations. If you think deserts are nothing but sand dunes you are mistaken. Here's a picture of the desert here in western Colorado:
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It is fortunate that this remote area is already somewhat protected as a BLM National Conservation Area (NCA). If you really think that such places should be converted to solar power stations, I vehemently disagree.
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Re: LEAF posing

Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:10 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:So, it depends on where in the desert that you put those large scale solar generating stations.
+1. Getting OT, but my preference for location of solar:

1. Rooftops
2. Previously disturbed land (landfills, mine sites, degraded farmland, etc)
3. Undisturbed land

In the last case especially, I would like to see conservation efforts used to offset the effect of disturbing the affected land.

I've got a lot of room for PV on my roof - it would be possible to install enough PV to generate at least 2x the amount of electricity I currently use, and potentially 3-4x if I really squeeze the panels up there and/or use high efficiency panels. And nearly every house in my area has similar amounts of roof-top space. This petition is relevant and would let California residential customers sell excess energy to utilities at a fair rate: http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/let-ca ... by=1604456" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BTW: Great pics TickTock and dgpcolorado!

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Re: LEAF posing

Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:08 pm

Nice Picture.

I didn't say all of the desert. I said half. Which half is not up to me. Deserts are not my forte.

dgpcolorado wrote:
Lasareath wrote:I think it looks great too. They should cover half the deserts in America!
So, it depends on where in the desert that you put those large scale solar generating stations. If you think deserts are nothing but sand dunes you are mistaken. Here's a picture of the desert here in western Colorado:
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It is fortunate that this remote area is already somewhat protected as a BLM National Conservation Area (NCA). If you really think that such places should be converted to solar power stations, I vehemently disagree.
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Re: LEAF posing

Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:57 am

It must be October... My car outside the office in Ouray yesterday:
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The internet forecast was for rain and thunderstorms. But the TV guy got it pretty close with a forecast of the snow level at 7000 feet; it was actually at about 7500 feet. This picture was taken at 7700 feet.
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Re: LEAF posing

Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:04 am

I do agree to a point. But look at this place on a map, it's a developed area. I'd much prefer a city block of solar panels to another mini-mall.
ILETRIC wrote:Jeez! They need to put these things on people's homes' roofs, not line the beautiful desert with it!

Sorry folks, I'm sooo against it...
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Re: LEAF posing

Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:17 pm

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