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Re: Battery Charging

Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:38 pm

Gary, the 240v charge station requires that it be hard-wired. The 120v is just a plug.

You can "un-hard-wire" the 240v charge station and plug it into a dryer outlet. Or at least we did that with the RAV4-EV. But it doesn't meet code.

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Re: Battery Charging

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:18 pm

garygid wrote:If the Leaf's 240v charging station is hard-wired, certain electrical codes apply.

However, if it is just a plug-in portable, and connected through a suitable "wire-extension" to a standard electric dryer plug, couldn't it just be used at any location with a suitable electric dryer socket?

If not, what prohibits such use?
Then, charging overnight almost anywhere is easy, right?
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Re: Battery Charging

Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:43 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:The description of the purchase process implied that the home assessment and charger installation would occur before the vehicle purchase. Do I *have* to get a 220V charging station? From what I've read the 120V should be sufficient for my needs, many days I only go 20-40 miles then the car is home for 12-14 hours.
I am very much interested in this question, and hope that we can get an official answer. I, too, average less than 30 miles per day, and would virtually never drive more than 40 miles each on two consecutive days. 120V charging is all that I will need, and wiring 240V to where the Leaf will be parked could be quite expensive.
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Re: Battery Charging

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:31 pm

See my edited post, 4 posts prior.
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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:39 pm

I, too am interested in the no charger possibility, for the same reason, although I would probably go for the charger in any event just so I know I can charge fast if I have to. However, it may change my answer if it's the case that charging on trickle degrades the battery less than charging on 220 (or the other way around). If the battery life is better with the 200, I would certainly pay the extra to have it. If 110 is better maybe not unless it was required. I also might get the charger and have it accessible from either inside or outside the garage. There is room to park a car, say another Leaf or EV, on the side of our driveway without blocking the garage, and to pull up close to the side where the charger could be installed. Thus I could serve as an emergency charge point for other EV owners in the area even if my car was inside charging on the 110, or even if I wasn't there.
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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:11 pm

Rat wrote:I, too am interested in the no charger possibility, for the same reason, although I would probably go for the charger in any event just so I know I can charge fast if I have to. However, it may change my answer if it's the case that charging on trickle degrades the battery less than charging on 220 (or the other way around). If the battery life is better with the 200, I would certainly pay the extra to have it. If 110 is better maybe not unless it was required. I also might get the charger and have it accessible from either inside or outside the garage. There is room to park a car, say another Leaf or EV, on the side of our driveway without blocking the garage, and to pull up close to the side where the charger could be installed. Thus I could serve as an emergency charge point for other EV owners in the area even if my car was inside charging on the 110, or even if I wasn't there.
In theory, 120V should be better for pack longevity, but 3.3kW is such a small amount of current for a pack this size, it shouldn't make an appreciable difference.

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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:58 pm

Well, I have an answer to my question, "is 220V required?", with the caveat that you can never trust anything you read on the internet 100%. Someone on another site posted a transcript of a "live chat" on the official Nissan LEAF website. The answer was that they recommend the "home charger", which in context clearly meant the 220V unit, but it is not required.
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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:29 pm

Rat wrote:I, too am interested in the no charger possibility, for the same reason, although I would probably go for the charger in any event just so I know I can charge fast if I have to. However, it may change my answer if it's the case that charging on trickle degrades the battery less than charging on 220 (or the other way around). If the battery life is better with the 200, I would certainly pay the extra to have it. If 110 is better maybe not unless it was required. I also might get the charger and have it accessible from either inside or outside the garage. There is room to park a car, say another Leaf or EV, on the side of our driveway without blocking the garage, and to pull up close to the side where the charger could be installed. Thus I could serve as an emergency charge point for other EV owners in the area even if my car was inside charging on the 110, or even if I wasn't there.
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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:58 pm

Rat wrote:I, too am interested in the no charger possibility, for the same reason, although I would probably go for the charger in any event just so I know I can charge fast if I have to. However, it may change my answer if it's the case that charging on trickle degrades the battery less than charging on 220 (or the other way around). If the battery life is better with the 200, I would certainly pay the extra to have it. If 110 is better maybe not unless it was required. I also might get the charger and have it accessible from either inside or outside the garage. There is room to park a car, say another Leaf or EV, on the side of our driveway without blocking the garage, and to pull up close to the side where the charger could be installed. Thus I could serve as an emergency charge point for other EV owners in the area even if my car was inside charging on the 110, or even if I wasn't there.
The 'courtesy charging station' idea was discussed on the Apteraforum a year or 2 ago. We wanted to come up with a list of people who would offer their outlets for a top-off (especially those in strategic locations). It's a good idea, but sort of hard to manage. After all, what if you plan on stopping at Bill's Place for enough juice to get you to your destination only to find that Bill moved a year ago and the database was never uploaded? Things like that could be problematic.

If there are enough infrastructure charging stations installed and Nissan does periodic updates on it's GPS software, then we should be just fine with a little bit of pre-planning.
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Re: Battery Charging

Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:08 pm

Jimmydreams wrote: If there are enough infrastructure charging stations installed and Nissan does periodic updates on it's GPS software, then we should be just fine with a little bit of pre-planning.
All Nissan dealers apparently will have some chargers - that might be a good way to charge on the go.
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