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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:26 pm

After market applications are possible. There is no way a major OEM is going to launch into generator sales. (Even Honda isn't jumping on that bandwagon and they make a series of excellent ones)
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:12 pm

That Northern Tool generator runs 10 hours on 16 gallons at HALF load (8.5 kW).
Also $3000 and 475 lbs.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:40 pm

sjfotos wrote:After market applications are possible. There is no way a major OEM is going to launch into generator sales. (Even Honda isn't jumping on that bandwagon and they make a series of excellent ones)
Hopefully the OEM makes it easy to add one by having a power socket on the back, trailer hitch, and computer connection. The computer connection should allow the cars computers to indicate when it should turn on and off. Would be nice if you could see on the dash how much fuel is available in the generator.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:02 pm

DanCar wrote: Hopefully the OEM makes it easy to add one by having a power socket on the back, trailer hitch, and computer connection. The computer connection should allow the cars computers to indicate when it should turn on and off. Would be nice if you could see on the dash how much fuel is available in the generator.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:08 pm

I feel like I'm missing something here - if you want a gasoline range extender, why not just go with the Volt instead? Not every car fills every need - my Mazda Miata will only carry two people, and can't go off-roading (heck, it sometimes can't handle speed bumps). Obviously different limiations apply when it comes to the Leaf

Do I wish the Leaf had more range? Certainly. But I wouldn't dream of hitching a gas engine to it - I'm getting the Leaf to get away from a gas engine!

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:16 pm

JasonT wrote:I feel like I'm missing something here - if you want a gasoline range extender, why not just go with the Volt instead? Not every car fills every need - my Mazda Miata will only carry two people, and can't go off-roading (heck, it sometimes can't handle speed bumps). Obviously different limiations apply when it comes to the Leaf

Do I wish the Leaf had more range? Certainly. But I wouldn't dream of hitching a gas engine to it - I'm getting the Leaf to get away from a gas engine!
Yes, of course. However, for the occasional trip you need to make beyond the range of the Leaf, and to not bother with inconvience of a rental, a group or number of people could have a towable generator, that is shared among them. That is what we are discussing. It's not for everyday use, its for when you need to go on that 300 mile drive once or twice a year, and there aren't Level 3 charging stations on the way, once the entire country is "EV ready" there would no longer be a need for these trailers.

It certainly cheaper than having a 2nd spare vehicle for those trips, and easier than a rental.

as far as the Volt is concerned, well, I won't bore you with what my opinions on that subject are.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:25 pm

JasonT wrote:if you want a gasoline range extender, why not just go with the Volt instead?
Why lug the generator around all the time - when I need it only 2 or 3 times a year. Besides with volt evey week I'd have to use gas once or twice.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:37 pm

I suspect that the firmware in the Leaf is designed to Charge OR Drive, but not both at the same time.
Parts of the "charging" circuitry might even be occupied with Regen, and not available for an "external" charge.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:18 pm

garygid wrote:I suspect that the firmware in the Leaf is designed to Charge OR Drive, but not both at the same time.
Parts of the "charging" circuitry might even be occupied with Regen, and not available for an "external" charge.
you could be right, that's why 3rd party aftermarket companies will pop up with all kinds of mods, similar to what's happened with the prius, I can think of a few already, the towable range extender, after market rear wheel skirts, doubling the level 2 charger to 6.6kw (which Nissan is rumored to be working on but not for the initial Leafs), and of course someone will come out with an inverter to run your house during a blackout, I'm sure the Leaf will be hacked....
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:30 pm

I would expect Nissan to make their firmware difficult to hack.

However, I think they would be wise to make it easy to update in the field ... perhaps using an encrypted update file, maybe even S/N or VIN-specific.
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