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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:33 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:53 am
alozzy wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:53 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:32 am


TMS. All ya gotta do is test them all on a cold day.
Doesn't the Model 3 use a resistive heater, rather than a heat pump? That could explain some of the difference too
CD is only half of the equation. You also need to know what the cross-section area is. A car with a lower CD but larger cross-section could get worse mileage then a smaller car with a higher CD.
I'd.be very surprised if the Model 3 has a larger surface area on it's front end than the LEAF, so I still contend that the larger spread between "real world" and EPA for the Model 3 comes must be due to more aggressive driving vs the results for the LEAF.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:46 pm

alozzy wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:33 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:53 am
alozzy wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:53 pm


Doesn't the Model 3 use a resistive heater, rather than a heat pump? That could explain some of the difference too
CD is only half of the equation. You also need to know what the cross-section area is. A car with a lower CD but larger cross-section could get worse mileage then a smaller car with a higher CD.
I'd.be very surprised if the Model 3 has a larger surface area on it's front end than the LEAF, so I still contend that the larger spread between "real world" and EPA for the Model 3 comes must be due to more aggressive driving vs the results for the LEAF.

LEAF: 71"W x 61-62"H = 4331- 4,402in.^2

Model 3: 73"W x 56-57"H = 4,088-4,161 in. ^2.

I suspect it has more to do with different temps and winds.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:23 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:35 am
People actually need to take delivery of a vehicle by a certain time to be eligible for the tax credit during that time. Orders/pre-orders w/o vehicle being handed over don't count.
Not even if the car is pre-purchased? Dang...
I'm 90% sure that you must take delivery by the various cutoff dates. This is why there were always scrambles before each of them for Teslas.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf for line 3 asks "Enter date vehicle was placed in service (MM/DD/YYYY)". https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8936 talks about in service but doesn't say anything about line 3.

I don't think one would want to take a chance with an audit to put down an earlier date than actual delivery and as specified on paperwork/receipt to get more tax credit $.

Tesla supposedly has tried to help out customers before certain cuttoffs. Examples:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-r ... ne-2018-12
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/12/te ... -delivery/

While doing some searching, I stumbled across https://www.carnichiwa.com/car-news/202 ... crossover/ with some behind the scenes pics. Seems like the host is a professional voiceover actress: https://voice123.com/miho/

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:07 am

alozzy wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:33 pm
I'd.be very surprised if the Model 3 has a larger surface area on it's front end than the LEAF, so I still contend that the larger spread between "real world" and EPA for the Model 3 comes must be due to more aggressive driving vs the results for the LEAF.
Leaf sits right between the 3 and Y for frontal surface area.

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:35 pm
I too remember the 55MPH limit, and driving 60 was the practical limit before you got ticketed.
Out here it was 65, as the CHP hated the law as much as everyone else did, and acted accordingly.

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:35 pm
You and all the other 80MPH dopes think the laws of physics get changed with the speed limits. They don't.
I can't speak for the other 'dopes', but I've never suffered from that delusion
I'm just willing to accept the risk, in a car that's far safer than the one I learned to drive in when the CA interstate speed limit was 65 (pre-1974).

Similarly, I've been willing to ride my bike in heavy street traffic for 51 years now. Can't say I enjoy it, but I've long since accepted the risk when it provides with a more direct if not the only route to get where I'm going.

(OT) OTOH, I've also been participating for the past couple of years in my city's surveys/focus groups etc. to update our bike/pedestrian plan, pointing out the absolute need to provide either separate bike paths or protected bike lanes if they ever hope to get the rider demographic described as "interested but concerned" to commute/do errands by bike. Every survey I've ever seen of this demographic group says they simply won't ride in the street with fast moving car traffic unless protected.

In fact, the only demographic group who will do so in numbers are adolescent males, and people like me who've been doing so since we started to as adolescent males.

The city has been listening, and yesterday I had the opportunity to ride along a section of a major arterial (35-50 mph speed limits) that had recently been modified to provide protected bike lanes; it used to just have painted lines, but now there are narrow traffic islands with raised curbs and plantings, with marked gaps every so often to allow cars to enter/exit driveways.

Although I never think about it normally, I'm always surprised at just how much less stressful it is to ride in a protected vice unprotected lane next to fast moving traffic. Next step is to extend it 3 miles to downtown. They'll probably have to use parking-protected lanes for that bit, as they'd have to forego too much on-street parking otherwise. (end OT)
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:40 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:19 am
cwerdna wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:24 pm
Table seems to come from https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-a ... explained/. It says they tested at 75 mph and unfortunately under varied climate conditions like the with the Model 3 around freezing temps.
ok, so crap reporting at best.
BTW, since we're discussing speed limits, I just remembered this 1000 mile on a tank "highway" challenge in Japan at https://priuschat.com/threads/1000-mile ... ost-871358. One guy in Portugal was slamming the low speeds. A Japanese Priuchatter said "A 70km/h speed is too slow at Japanese highway, so he drove 74km/h or above for the 1000 miles." And, he said "Do you know the speed limit on the most mountain area is 80km/h in Japan?"

https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2022.html claims "The typical speed limits are 80 to 100 km/h on expressways, 40 km/h in urban areas, 30 km/h in side streets and 50 to 60 km/h elsewhere; however, drivers tend to go a little over the posted speed limits."

100 kph is about 62 mph. 80 kph is about 50 mph.

Side note: I do like this special fueling technique: https://priuschat.com/threads/1000-mile ... ost-868854. :D

I'm also reminded of this from George Carlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:42 am

Side note: I do like this special fueling technique:
I guess he didn't want to spring for the custom made, single fuel-topping ramp.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:58 pm

Dup. post with next one.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:08 pm

^^^ Carlin. I'd forgotten that one, but it's absolutely true. I miss George.

Lest we forget, one of our very own members here set what I believe remains the 24kWh LEAF distance record, at 186 or 188 miles, forget which. Took him something like 10 hours. As with Tony Williams' BC2BC, this has absolutely nothing to do with practical use of the car, it just shows what's possible if you ignore most of the major reasons people use cars instead of some other transportation.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:49 am

Curtis who lives in Colorado Springs has a gen 1 LEAF and went from there to Rapid City SD. http://evtrail.com/about.html I don't remember if he has the 30 or the 24. You can see it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuhh92npD38

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