finman100 wrote:A. If your 2018 Leaf 2.0 is not for longish road trips (you know, what some would perceive you should be able to do with any car), then more power to you. Also, don't buy a Leaf in hot climates. or use DC quick charging more than 3 successive times in one day. or expect 150 miles after 3 years of normal use. Seriously. come back in 2021 and let us know how that is going. (hint, no TMS for the battery equals no deal)
B. If u see the complete ICE-replacement Tesla and the Supercharger network (WORLDWIDE!) as worthwhile, then you make your choices.
for people choosing A: you will be disappointed if you think a Leaf 2.0 is driving across the US. Or even farther than 150 miles charge per day. DC quick charging is still a crapshoot and the masses will not tolerate a crapshoot. Not robust. not reliable. not as widespread as needed. Seriously, I've been a Leaf fan for almost 4 years and LOVE it but know the ins and outs of Public DC fast charging. (hint, it's mostly outs).
for people choosing B: you will have to weigh the FUD being thrown out there against Tesla. Right now as of this posting a $35,000 Tesla is not available. You wait for that one to be released or compromise with selection 'A', knowing the shortfalls of a medium range EV with a spotty QC network. And maybe you CAN get by with that in your particular situation.
Bottom line should say something:
Many people are waiting for choice B (number of reservations to get a Model 3 are pretty much higher than a lot of EV sales to date).
Many are also not waiting and a Leaf 2.0 will work just fine.
The Bolt is also suffering from the above situation. Works great for many but hits the wall at about 220 miles (hint, no decent and persistent DC charging network to date".
All great points. No right or wrong here, just info for people to look at. However, being that this is a Leaf Forum, I am betting the large membership who are on this site and like yourself love the Leaf. A person needs to look at their situation and needs (driving ranges and patterns, budget, family size, etc.) and choose what works best for you. In the end, the Leaf 2.0 is a better choice for me for many reasons. For others, Model 3, Bolt, Model S, new I-Pace, etc, etc may be better.
My post was just staying on topic to do a comparison of the Leaf 2.0 and Model 3. Not all of the options in the marketplace today. Yes, infrastructure is key, however I don't believe that DC FC will get worse but only better. Tesla is only one brand and does not and will never own the BEV market. Others are playing catch up and very soon (within next 3-5 years) have multiple BEV products for consumers to choose from. And you can bet these won't be Tesla Charge Port optioned nor will work with SuperChargers. You are naive to think that Tesla will have more chargers in the world deployed than all other "standards". Simply won't happen. They may have a leadership now, but as some manufactures plan to build over a 1,000,000 EV's a year by 2025 or sooner (and that is just one manufacturer stating that and there are dozens getting into this game), more DC FC will have to be deployed to handle this kind of scale and many companies, governments and collaborations are pushing into this realm quickly.
I do agree that TMS is very important for longevity of battery life and over the Leaf, Tesla certainly has an advantage. Their battery tech so far has proven to be rock solid with sub-10% loss of SOC over lifespan on earliest models so far.
Again, just food for thought and informed decisions. If you have the money, buy a Tesla. Its that simple. If budget is a factor, then there are lots of other choices out there and the Leaf 2.0 is IMO a top choice.