SageBrush
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1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 5:35 am

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/04/a- ... ssan-leaf/

Very balanced article. The writer is obviously an EV advocate and LEAF fan but she does not gloss over the limitations that come with tripping an EV without a TMS.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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webeleafowners
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Location: Okanagan Valley British Columbia

Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 7:30 am

So, how does he/she know what the charge rate is. We have a 2016. I haven’t seen a menu setting that allows me to see that. Is it something specific to the 2018 and newer vehicles?

Thanks.
2015 Smart Electric Drive convertible.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh
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SageBrush
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Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:00 am

webeleafowners wrote:So, how does he/she know what the charge rate is. We have a 2016. I haven’t seen a menu setting that allows me to see that. Is it something specific to the 2018 and newer vehicles?

Thanks.
I'm under the impression that the chargers show charging rates.
Alternatively it is trivial arithmetic to convert the percentage SoC change per time to kW
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

GerryAZ
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Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:03 am

I have not studied the owner manual for 2018 or 2019, but Leaf Spy gives the charging rate. I would not drive locally, let alone on a longer trip, without it because I have needed it to clear charging communication errors which prevent charging on other stations. Very few of the public charging stations I have used in the Phoenix area show charge rate, but some show the total energy delivered during the charge cycle along with elapsed time.
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Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
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webeleafowners
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Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:04 am

SageBrush wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:So, how does he/she know what the charge rate is. We have a 2016. I haven’t seen a menu setting that allows me to see that. Is it something specific to the 2018 and newer vehicles?

Thanks.
I'm under the impression that the chargers show charging rates.
Alternatively it is trivial arithmetic to convert the percentage SoC change per time to kW
Ahhh ok. I haven’t noticed that on our provincial chargers. Then again I’ve probably only used them a couple dozen times and never really looked to see what if any menu selections there are. All I have ever seen is the percentage of charge display. At 90 I leave. :).
2015 Smart Electric Drive convertible.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh
EV only Family...well except for the big diesel motorhome. :shock:

SageBrush
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Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:30 am

Or kWh delivered per unit time to kW

E.g.:
One kWh delivered in one hour is one kW
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

nrvous
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Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:41 am

The 2018 Leaf S shows the charging rate on the dash display while charging.
webeleafowners wrote:So, how does he/she know what the charge rate is. We have a 2016. I haven’t seen a menu setting that allows me to see that. Is it something specific to the 2018 and newer vehicles?

Thanks.

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OrientExpress
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Leaf Number: 2331
Location: San Jose, Ca

Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 8:53 am

"Very balanced article. The writer is obviously an EV advocate and LEAF fan but she does not gloss over the limitations that come with tripping an EV without a TMS.
The only issue here is that the situation that the author dwells on and makes the central thesis of the article (Slow than desired charging) is essentially limited to less than a thousand LEAFs in the US, and of that universe there is probably less than 10% that would ever be in this situation.

The other issue that I see is the obsessive dwelling on battery temperature on the 2018 cars. The arguments are based on assumptions from earlier versions of the LEAF regarding the 18s LEAF battery durability and its normal operating temperature. A quick scan of the owners manual would clear that up.

The real story is that long-distance travel for any BEV, TMS or non-TMS equipped, is still just like road trips from the 1950s and 60s. Road trips from that era and for modern BEVs is slow and full of surprises.

If you don't have the discipline and patience that is required for the pitfalls of this sort long distance travel in a BEV, then stop whining about it. This same story has been repeated ad nauseam by Tesla, BMW, Kia, Bolt owners since BEVs started their resurgence this decade. It's always the vehicles fault that the trip is a real pain.

Having poor judgement, being impatient and not taking responsibility for one's actions is not a vehicle defect.
2018 LEAF SL
Gun Metalic
Delivery April 10 2018

Prior LEAF:
2014 LEAF SV
Ocean Blue
Delivery May 23 2014
50,000+ miles - all 12 bars - Same range as new - No warranty issues ever!

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OrientExpress
Posts: 1504
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:22 pm
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Location: San Jose, Ca

Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 9:01 am

nrvous wrote:The 2018 Leaf S shows the charging rate on the dash display while charging.
webeleafowners wrote:So, how does he/she know what the charge rate is. We have a 2016. I haven’t seen a menu setting that allows me to see that. Is it something specific to the 2018 and newer vehicles?

Thanks.
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2018 LEAF SL
Gun Metalic
Delivery April 10 2018

Prior LEAF:
2014 LEAF SV
Ocean Blue
Delivery May 23 2014
50,000+ miles - all 12 bars - Same range as new - No warranty issues ever!

Bouldergramp
Posts: 58
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:36 am
Delivery Date: 15 Oct 2018
Leaf Number: 317621
Location: COLORADO

Re: 1200 Mile Trip in the 2018 LEAF

Sun May 05, 2019 9:47 am

OrientExpress wrote:
"Very balanced article. The writer is obviously an EV advocate and LEAF fan but she does not gloss over the limitations that come with tripping an EV without a TMS.
The only issue here is that the situation that the author dwells on and makes the central thesis of the article (Slow than desired charging) is essentially limited to less than a thousand LEAFs in the US, and of that universe there is probably less than 10% that would ever be in this situation.

The other issue that I see is the obsessive dwelling on battery temperature on the 2018 cars. The arguments are based on assumptions from earlier versions of the LEAF regarding the 18s LEAF battery durability and its normal operating temperature. A quick scan of the owners manual would clear that up.

The real story is that long-distance travel for any BEV, TMS or non-TMS equipped, is still just like road trips from the 1950s and 60s. Road trips from that era and for modern BEVs is slow and full of surprises.

If you don't have the discipline and patience that is required for the pitfalls of this sort long distance travel in a BEV, then stop whining about it. This same story has been repeated ad nauseam by Tesla, BMW, Kia, Bolt owners since BEVs started their resurgence this decade. It's always the vehicles fault that the trip is a real pain.

Having poor judgement, being impatient and not taking responsibility for one's actions is not a vehicle defect.
Our 2018 Leaf S is a perfect second car. The 2010 Honda Odyssey is for road trips.

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