SageBrush
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Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:36 pm

http://lifeaftercarbon.net/wp-content/u ... y-2019.pdf

These are the present day planning and implementations of 8 US coastal cities to mitigate flooding. There is a lot to digest but I looked at Miami Beach as a harbinger: $6,500 per capita of populace* now, who knows how much later. That is just for routine flooding. Large storms are unpaid and unplanned, and they use past flooding history to anticipate future flooding. :o

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93,000 population
$600,000,000 new fees and taxes
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powersurge
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am

This is all a crock of crap....

No one is saying that sea levels are rising, or that we are experiencing (already) significantly more serious flooding anywhere...

If "climate change" will have such a serious effect on coastal cities, then we should move the cities away from the higher water.

Humans are not in charge of their environment, we live in it... Thinking that we can build impenetrable barriers to the ocean is very childish. We cannot change our environment. Only the corrupt government thinks so for $$$.

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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:36 am

powersurge wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am
This is all a crock of crap....

No one is saying that sea levels are rising
Again, I'm no environmentalist (I used to drive a Ford F-250). That being said, sea levels are indeed rising: https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:41 am

powersurge wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am
then we should move the cities away from the higher water.
Who is "we" ?

I can assure you that when Long Island floods I will do what I can to make it the problem of Long Island and not mine. YOUR problem -- not mine. Multiply that by the population living on the coasts.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
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11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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SageBrush
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:45 am

powersurge wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am
No one is saying that sea levels are rising, or that we are experiencing (already) significantly more serious flooding anywhere...
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Everyone who is not an idiot is saying just that.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:19 am

powersurge wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am
... If "climate change" will have such a serious effect on coastal cities, then we should move the cities away from the higher water. ...
Let me know how that goes.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:24 am

The only ones in denial are living very near, at or below sea level.
They will continue living this poor lifestyle choice as long as everyone chips in to cover the cost of rebuilding after every storm.
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SageBrush
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:35 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:24 am
The only ones in denial are living very near, at or below sea level.
Hardly. You are exhibit 'A'
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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SageBrush
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:19 pm

powersurge wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:16 am
Humans are not in charge of their environment, we live in it... Thinking that we can build impenetrable barriers to the ocean is very childish. We cannot change our environment. Only the corrupt government thinks so for $$$.
70% of the residents of Miami Beach voted for the increases in taxes and fees and bonds. It is hard to stay in denial in knee deep water in your home although I give you a 50:50 chance.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

Oilpan4
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:45 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:35 am
Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:24 am
The only ones in denial are living very near, at or below sea level.
Hardly. You are exhibit 'A'
The sea level rises. I have accepted this.
In the eternal battel of man versus the seas, the sea always wins.
There is only 1 logical outcome.
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