DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:22 am

My personal belief is that the old line companies have not yet figured out how to adapt to the changing business model.

A car which will improve post purchase and require updates (...aka additional investment)
A car which requires much less servicing
An expectation that the car will eventually cost less than the equivalent ice

Where is the upside for either manufacturers or dealers. That said, the change is becoming big enough that it will be hard to kill, especially as battery and automation software investment now has kicked in.

The car companies will become data companies using the platform as their collection device (aka pixel Phone or Fitbit). And the dealers...will need to find a new way to add value.
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:10 am

I'm not commenting on battery replacement at all. You really can't answer the second obvious question?
TOYOTA!

:lol:
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:10 am

I'm not commenting on battery replacement at all. You really can't answer the second obvious question?
TOYOTA!

:lol:
Classic

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:40 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm
danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:10 am

I'm not commenting on battery replacement at all. You really can't answer the second obvious question?
TOYOTA!

:lol:
Classic
Sorry...

TESLA

But some of what was said does feel true. Nissan seems to have no incentive to provide upgrades for current leaf owners. It does feel a bit like the cell phone game. New every two?
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:40 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm
danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 pm


TOYOTA!

:lol:
Classic
Sorry...

TESLA

But some of what was said does feel true. Nissan seems to have no incentive to provide upgrades for current leaf owners. It does feel a bit like the cell phone game. New every two?
Why would they then screwed people on the packs.

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:54 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 pm
danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:40 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm


Classic
Sorry...

TESLA

But some of what was said does feel true. Nissan seems to have no incentive to provide upgrades for current leaf owners. It does feel a bit like the cell phone game. New every two?
Why would they then screwed people on the packs.
I'm not sure what you mean?
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 pm
danrjones wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:40 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm


Classic
Sorry...

TESLA

But some of what was said does feel true. Nissan seems to have no incentive to provide upgrades for current leaf owners. It does feel a bit like the cell phone game. New every two?
Why would they then screwed people on the packs.
Why do you say that?

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:17 pm

Nissan does not care about LEAF owners, they have a long history of that starting with the degradation issues and others. Now they are forced to face the reality that they don't sell enough LEAFs to be profitable. Look at their original projections. Now they will be selling higher cost EVs, hopefully with packs that last.

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:41 pm

Let us get to a place where we can all agree on a number of points and move forward from there.....

I think we can all agree that:

- EVs have not been pushed into the market at anywhere near the rate that would be expected in the past 10 YEARS.
- There does not appear to be a market (or aftermarket) for the long-term maintenance and repair of EVs, especially for the multitude of Leafs
that are already out there.
- New EVs are continually hyped, and released while an adequate volume of new EVs are not making it to dealers for sale.
- Nissan is apparently changing its business model direction of the Leaf to be in the "luxury-priced" level in the future.

What does that say to me?:
1) The current population of Leafs in the hands of consumers will be abandoned by the company, without the potential of long-term spare parts. (Car will be killed prematurely from company neglect).

2) As per recently published news items, Tesla, Nissan, and other companies will relegate the EV to a position of high-priced, luxury "toy" status, where drivers will not own the cars, but lease them while the cars are new. (The ultimate fate of the cars will be in the hands of car companies when the leases are returned).

3) Car companies (while petroleum is abundant and cheap) are in no rush to shoot themselves in the foot by saying bye-bye to the $$$ they can
make from ICE cars.

What do you think?

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:33 pm

I have read Nissan is adding a more like a Tesla model 3 but nothing about dropping the Leaf.

Dealerships have taken a beating messing with EV sales and service.

I'm sure it has cost Nissan a ton of money the way they have stood behind the Leaf.

The way our used Leafs are being shipped out of the USA due to overseas demands makes for higher prices I expect.

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